My newest site was started this past June, has about 140 inbound links (according to Yahoo) but is still ‘sandboxed’. The way I know is that I can search for specific combinations of words in my site in quotes and as long as there are ANY other sites with this same combination of words, my site appears at the end of this list of search results–even if the query only produces 5 or 10 sites.
I have used sitemaps –site is fully indexed–, descriptions are good, no URL-only pages, but NO GOOGLE TRAFFIC.
End of January makes 9 months for this site in the sandbox and I was wondering have any of you started new sites in the last year or two and how long were they ‘sandboxed’?
Did you do anything special to ‘get them out’ so to speak?
In any case, there are certain triggers for starting and ending the sandbox, the problem is only Google knows what the triggers are. Webzcas, what were you doing that got you out of the sandbox in 9 months? Some theories I have that might help is achieving a DMOZ listing, buying a Yahoo Directory listing, and registering your domain for at least 5 years. Did you do any or all of those?
As for the Javascript re-directs, that goes explicitly against Google’s webmaster guidelines and they are taking steps to ban sites that use those types of tactics. Just read Matt Cutts blog for more evidence of this. It may take awhile for Google to catch it, and possible they never would, but it is still a risk if you are in it for the long run.
Voodooman, if your intention is to not make any reciprocal links, then you may avoid being put into the sandbox. Not sure what happens if you manage to get only one-way links. But as you said, if you don’t have enough links, it will be tough to rank for competitive terms in Google. That is definitely the system they have created.
My belief is that the sandbox is definitely an aging filter, but the age required to get out of the sandbox depends on the competitiveness of the keyword(s) being targeted. Add to this that gambling sites are pretty much always mentioned in any “bad neighborhood” discussion on SEO forums, and we might be treated with more prejudice.
For the benefit of others reading this thread, some other things you can try that may help reduce the time in the sandbox is to get listed in DMOZ, register your domain for at least 5 years,buy some one-way links, and maybe try buying a link from the Yahoo directory. Also make sure you aren’t linking out to any Google banned sites. I just found one last night that I had to get rid of. Of course the best way to avoid the sandbox seems to be starting with a domain that is more than 2 years old, if we could all be so lucky to have one of those in this industry.
Yes, thanks for the confirmation on the Googlebot not following these JS type links (I was pretty sure I was correct about this, but it’s always good to have my suspicions confirmed!)
Anyway, as far as I can tell the Sandbox is some type of aging filter because you can take sites that have a zillion links in and they will still be sandboxed and sites with few inbound links will not-the only differentiating factor I have found is the time these sites have been in existence. I dont think inbound links are the answer as I feel Google has to realize that this is a stupid (and easily manipulated way) to rank sites. Sites should be ranked based on well, written, fresh, original content and that’s it.
Wouldn’t doing this eliminate all spam, duplicate stolen content, scraper sites, Google bowling, link scheming etc. Look, Google, by their ranking methods, has taken the best resource index on the net and turned it into an index of sites that are nothing more than glorified link farms, for the most part. I dont even use Google anymore myself, but feel it is still very valuable for its partner traffic (like from AOLsearch etc.) Google traffic is far less valuable than traffic from Yahoo, MSN and AOL as I have seen during my years as a top-10 Match.com affiliate.
Again, I dont know if this is THE ANSWER, but based on what I’ve seen I think its reasonable to try–as I had not started that Fast Payouts site when I came up with this idea I figured build it this way from the ground up. I don’t know what to think yet as the site and its few developed pages so far is quite new.
In any case, you may want to look at our site and see if that helps out your theory or not.
Originally Posted by antoine
Just build websites and dont worry about google for now.
That is what I recommend too.
It’s what I did and still do.
I have to agree with this.
At least in my case it was a big mistake to follow in the blind trust some SEO mantras that after years are not a guarantee for a good ranking.
The canned answer in SEO forums “content and linking” do not resists the analysis.
A lot of sites out there, doing very bad with 1000’s of pages and rec. links.
So I think that is razonable to build sites not only thinking in google.
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