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I have to say over the last month and a half MSN and Yahoo have hit their lowest of their lows in terms of serch return quality. The sites they now return for gambling terms are 99% trash and spam.
Well produced sites with unique content are virtually non existant….
This is positively disgusting to see. If these trends continue we are in real trouble as honest webmasters.
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I agree it is pretty disheartening when you put alot of time into a page and think it has quality information. Then when you finally get the page listed it is no where to be seen and the other pages that are ahead of it are redirects or banner farms…
I’ve found that even top positions on Yahoo for some good gambling terms bings in little traffic. Is yahoo losing ground?
Seems to me that MSN has more traffic to give lately.
But at least they have variety for surfers – google dishes up the same old sites over and over for gambling phrases.
Also, it looks like MSN has gotten some control over all that subdomain crap.
I get the best visitors from MSN and have for awhile.
Google plain sucks at the moment for Casino sites (all spam)
Yahoo is a VERY close second to Google in that respect.
I don’t know what it is, but I don’t get it. I am #1 for what I consider to be some pretty big keyword phrases in MSN, but I don’t get ANY traffic from them. I actually thought there must be a glitch somewhere. I am #1 for about 25 keyword phrases that, when they were #1 in Google, would have netted me hundreds of clicks per month. Last month I got ONE click from MSN, according the stats on my cPanel. How is this possible?
Like Fergie, I’m finding more MSN traffic than Yahoo these days – my rankings are comparable in both engines, so yeah, I think Yahoo is losing ground.
While, in the keywords I target at least, the Yahoo SERPs are OK, I have to agree with the Professor that for a high percentage of casino/gambling phrases, the results are crap.
Not only crap, but seemingly random crap. There doesn’t seem to be any rhyme or reason why one site is top ten and another is #1000 or whatever.
yahoo and msn are more easily gamed than google. so, in general you will find a lot more sites with blog backlinks and sitewide link buys listed in yahoo and msn than you will google. this is only generally speaking of course. google allows its fair share of spam in their serps too (just look at some of the pages now). the difference is that google will get rid of most of those spam pages in time while yahoo and msn will likely keep them ranking.
sulky, they aren’t Mac terms on a Microsoft search engine, are they?
mongoose wrote:sulky, they aren’t Mac terms on a Microsoft search engine, are they?Indeed they are. Why do you ask?
i’m not sure. thought i remembered your site, and it seemed like a mis-match.
i don’t really know the mac mindset, but i imagine, given a choice, a mac user would use any thing but a microsoft product. search engines included.
could be wrong though, just a theory.
mongoose wrote:i’m not sure. thought i remembered your site, and it seemed like a mis-match.i don’t really know the mac mindset, but i imagine, given a choice, a mac user would use any thing but a microsoft product. search engines included.
could be wrong though, just a theory.
There’s definitely an anti-microsoft mindset with mac users, but I also rank high for terms like “no download gambling” (first! And no clicks from it!!) so who knows…
Interesting since most of our traffic comes from Yahoo and we have some pretty solid positions for some good keywords. MSN’s traffic is very poor, they just don’t have that many people searching on there it seems. Can’t wait for the day we have top Google positions, it sounds like a dream. We are climbing out of the sandbox however, so maybe not that far off.
I used to have huge MSN traffic but it has dried up to a trickle compared to Google. Yahoo is floundering somewhere in between.
MSN has so much spamdexing that decent sites have no chance.
New sites tend to make a short debut and then they get drowned in spam.
It is part of why I am so opposed to blackhat methods.
We rank OK across most SE’s on the GoonersGuide.com site – not great – but good for our targeted terms.
Here is a dump of my SE results so far for August (11 days)
Taken from my AddFreeStats counter.Google
2484 69.81%
Yahoo
456 12.82%
Other
354 9.95%
Msn
201 5.65%
AddFreeStats — 33 0.93%
Altavista
26 0.73%
Netscape
3 0.08%
AOL
1 0.03%It’s Google who is king for me at nearly 70% of clicks – a bit of Yahoo – and I must really find out what goes into the “other” bucket.
:satisfiedMSN comes in 4th with just over 5% … and I laugh at my presence on AOL (1 click).
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As for the labrats – they’re almost exclusively Google traffic – but they are still tiny (less than 50 SE hits a day) so can’t be used for much info.
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Hope it helps ?
MSN has been excellent for me lately, I found some kind of trick or something that gets MSN back to my site every other day and the same for yahoo and google except they come back every other week. The cool part about it is when I build the page a certain way, I imediatly go to straight up to the #1 ranking on all search engines or at least on the first page above even some of the biggest sites on the net, that’s why I love MSN so much.
I haven’t tried going for the big keywords yet like “casino reviews” probably since I don’t believe in myself getting that high, but I’ll have to at least try soon. The point is that when I make a page, MSN picks it up and I go straight up to #1 in a few days, but google and yahoo just take a little longer to go up to #1.
It’s very interesting, I’ve actually been seeing really good changes with all the search engines and have been happy about it all, even google. Everyone says it takes months for the search engines to come back to your site and index it, but they have been coming back to my site every week and I’m #1 on the SE for a new keyword each week also, I am also not a spammy or blackhat webmaster either and I have been very successful as far as rankings go, just need some money though!:terms:
