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I am concerned about the latest issues regarding affiliate incomes for referals.
Are we doing something illegal? Can we be prosecuted for pointing people to gambling websites?I apologize if I missed another thread regarding this. I do not see any concise answers on these forums.
Thank you in advance.
There is no new legislation except in Washington State.
The bill is stalled at the Senate.
Please check all the posts in the legal section concerning this.
Again, there is no new legislation except in Washington State.
As Dom has said … it is only law in Washington State.
However – it is proposed in the senate and only a fortunate August holiday break has stalled it … and hopefully allowed a bit of time for sense to prevail.
As for what does it mean ?In future.
Well if it was passed it would be very tough for US based webmasters to promote online gambling. We’ve seen one prominant member of this forum have to close down his site.That is a very REAL possibility – if it is passed.
Right now ?
Arrests :
The arrest of a BetonSports executive who is based in Costa Rica – and was only passing through the United States on his way home from London – is an extremely worrying development.His arrest has nothing to do with the Washington State law – and appears to be the Department of Justice flexing it’s muscle to suggest that current bookmaking and gambling activities (casino and poker – but not horse and lottery?!!) are illegal when offered to American citizens.
(This trial will be a test of very old wire-transfer laws)
The Markets :
The markets (who have far more invested in this area than any of us) have reacted badly to the news – and many publicly listed stocks (on the UK markets) have been marked down by as much as 20%-25%.Some of this will be “reef-fish” mentality of private investors – dumping stock on bad news – but the fact that the institutional investors have not moved in to hoover up “cheap” stock speak volumes for the current uncertainty.
My summary ?
This law doesn’t seem right – it’s more the sort of this that you expect to read about in China or the old Soviet union than the United States.But there are many various lobby groups, senators, horce race owners, state lotttery providers, even native american indian tribes who have an interest in minimising online gambling to boost their own particular investments.
The law doesn’t seem right – I don’t THINK it will pass – but crazier things have happened.
:eh:It has nothing to do with bookmaking and gambling – it has only to do with taking sports bets over the phone and with owing back taxes.
You keep saying that Dominique but the quotes keep coming from the Justice Department speaking of the wider definition.
Eg. within that article listed above …. (source CNN.money – not some blog or fly-by-night news hound)
“The United States has also filed a civil complaint to obtain an order requiring BETonSPORTS to stop taking sports bets from the country and to return money held in wagering accounts to account holders in the United States, the Justice Department said.”
and …
“Illegal commercial gambling across state and international borders is a crime,” U.S Attorney Catherine Hanaway of the Eastern District of Missouri said.
That is NOT about BACK TAXES,
That is NOT about PHONE bets …that is about online gambling in general.
Yes, they say that because they aim to cause a “chilling effect” – which posts like these make possible.
The only federal law regarding gambling is the one that prohibits sportsbetting over the telephone.
I am not sure where you get your information other than newspapers, but this is a legal fact, the only federal law in existance is the “wire act.
This is the reason why, year after year after year, some politicians try to pass a law that does prohibit online gambling.
If it was illegal already, why would they continue to try to make it illegal?
Dominique wrote:I am not sure where you get your information other than newspapers, but this is a legal fact, the only federal law in existance is the “wire act.What is a fact is that a man has been arrested on these charges and the public statements are calling all online gambling on the internet illegal.
That is an undisputable fact. I’m not making it up – but taking it directly from reliable news sources that are quoting the DoJ representives.
Whether he is successfully prosecuted under the 1961 “wire act” is to be played out in an American court. But the DoJ think that they have enough of a case to be able to detain and incarcerate a non-American citizen.
It has caused markets to devalue gambling stocks – it has caused gambling conferences to be cancelled – it IS having a material impact on the gambling industry.
:huh:
That the various law makers continue to make further laws does not mean that the existing laws are unable to gain a conviction – merely that a law made 45 years ago needs to be enhanced with the development of complex technology.To say otherwise is like saying that tax law is not enforcable simply becuase they continually create new tax law.
:dozing:You are reacting exactly as planned, as are the markets.
All I can do is tell you the facts.
You are putting the cart before the horse – wait until someone tries it enforce these non-existing “laws”.
Penico, the DOJ has stated over and over that we are aiding and abetting an illlegal act. Therefore, if it is made illegal by a new bill, we would be in danger of prosucution if we continue to send players to the casinos.
Dominique wrote:I am not sure where you get your information other than newspapers, but this is a legal fact, the only federal law in existance is the “wire act.
Actually I believe there are several additional laws on the books, some that regard horse racing and others that talk about lotteries.Also, saying the recent bill is stalled in the senate is an overstatement, they just got it last week. I fully expect them to address it prior to their fall break/elections they want to assure those bible thumping votes.
axl wrote:Also, saying the recent bill is stalled in the senate is an overstatement, they just got it last week. I fully expect them to address it prior to their fall break/elections they want to assure those bible thumping votes.Lets hope everything goes as planned as usual and that doesn’t happen this time either.
Casinomeister explains:
Midterm elections take place on 7 November 2006. According to the published
schedule for the 109th Congress (Congress being the House and the Senate),
summer recess will take place from August 7 to September 4 for the Senate
(31 July to 4 September for the House). The Senate and House reconvene on 5
September 2006, at which point both chambers will need to act quickly if
they intend to agree on what will be in the final version (that is, if the
Senate has already voted on the bill but made its own changes from the
version passed in the House on July 11).Congress¹ target adjournment date is 6 October 2006, approximately one month
before the midterm elections. If members of Congress intend to put real
pressure on the President to make an affirmative action to either sign or
veto the bill, they will, therefore, need to pass a final version in both
houses by Friday 22 September 2006 (10 business days before 6 October) or
Tuesday 26 September 2006 (10 actual days before 6 October). Otherwise,
President Bush may allow the bill to die after Congress adjourns on the
sixth without taking any action. Alternatively, the adjournment date may be
changed by House and Senate leaders. Ultimately, any veto handed down by
President Bush while Congress is in session must be overridden by a
two-thirds majority in both chambers.“Illegal commercial gambling across state and international borders is a crime,” U.S Attorney Catherine Hanaway of the Eastern District of Missouri said.
This statement would be true if it were illegal. Using illegal as the first word in a sentence does not make it illegal. But commercial gambling across state and international borders is NOT illegal. Catherine needs to get her facts straight and quit using double talk. It is only illegal IF there is a law against it, NOT because she says so
That quote is the same as saying illegal shopping is a crime, or illegal eating is a crime.
Hehe Randy, right on the button!
Illegal fear mongering is a crime too, but I haven’t seen the DOJ going to jail for it yet.
Semantics and double talk wont save you from a jail cell.
Ask David.
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