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My first and new site, http://www.GamblePoints.com, just went live.
:woohoo:
It is alittle different than most in the sense that it is an incentive based reward program where members get incentive points for playing online and completing other offers. I still have some content to add over the next week or so but thought it was ready enough to be opened. Let me know what you think…
Nice idea, and good looking site.
you might want top run a spell check on the poker rooms page.
Bonus: Up to 100$ bonus on fist deposit, ……..easy fix
also not all your links on that page are working. seem to be getting the nasty X in the top left hand corner of each poker room listed.
but nice job anyway, and good luck with it, looks like it could be a winnerThanks for the useful feedback.
I’ll go through and check for more typos. In regards to the links, all the poker related links seem to work from my home computer. Is anyone else having issues? And any specific casinos which aren’t showing up correctly?
Now, just need to keep working on content and get traffic to my site. Guess that’s the tricky part
This is basically a giant rake-back site across various programs. Have you been approved to give these incentives? There are lengthy discussions on this forum why such programs hurt affiliates in the long run.
rocketfly wrote:This is basically a giant rake-back site across various programs. Have you been approved to give these incentives? There are lengthy discussions on this forum why such programs hurt affiliates in the long run.I made it clear to all programs I signed up for what I was planning on going. I can understand why it can be hurtful especially if i do CPA only (and in which case would likely get switched to revshare really quick). But fail to see why giving portions of my revenue back to the user (similar to a cash back program) would be so harmfull.
Feel free to educate me
sebby1234 wrote:I…fail to see why giving portions of my revenue back to the user (similar to a cash back program) would be so harmfull.Essentially what this does is lowers the revenue sharing given to affiliates. If a new standard of affiliate % back is established, all of our payouts will lower if the market is degraded. Just as rakeback in poker made some poker promotion unprofitable, so could this potential do the same for the other areas.
In the short run, sure, you may get some signups, but we have to think about the bigger picture. There is already enough internal pressure lowering our % and conversions, and with this lowering of the bar, it’s now happening in house. When players come to expect a % back from affiliates this lowers our RoR and also increases the workload from tracking.
I can see this model working in some cases, like a % back in a certain month, but done wholesale I think this is a dangerous route to go in the long run. In general, it’s beter to let the sites run their own loyalty/bonus programs, which we can advertise and use to promote the sites.
I agree.
It can create a criminal element as it has in poker.
IF it works, it can get other affiliates to compete with you, lowering earnings further and further. Then you will need large numbers of players to make any money at all, so you will try to poach them from wherever you can, offering rewards if they open duplicate accounts with casinos and bingos.
This hurts the casinos and bingos, it hurts other affiliates, and it is theft.
This scenario has played out in rakeback and I too would hate to see this expand into other areas.
I see the most notorious rake back program being one of your largest sponsors already.
But then again, itsn’t it the basis of a free market?
In a way, it seems that the saying is that because my user can get rewards for playing online, it creates an unfair advantage. But then again, I could say that because other affiliates havemany websites, decent page ranking and established content that it creates an unfair advantage to new entries in the market.
Although I can understand some of the resaoning and can see why some shady operators could use an incentive based program to try and lure existing players to them (which I have no intent of doing). It seems that taking all the profits without encouraging your players in any way is also a selfish way to run a business.
In my oppinion, rewards isn’t the only reason why a player would pick a perticular site. Some may perfer the articles or the up to date site listings. I think I am just catering to a different segment of the audiance.
sebby1234 wrote:But then again, itsn’t it the basis of a free market?Well, if all of these programs were approved in detail, I suppose you are free to do them. However, looking at your list Party Poker is on there for rakeback, so this clearly isn’t the case for them (and perhaps many others.) Also look at the recent history of rakeback: programs began to see whey they aren’t good for them, and then proceeded to rescind tracking. In that case, you’re left with quite a few players expecting returns who cannot get them. Then, you have programs that offer such % deals under the radar, and an unregulated sub-market emerges as it has for rakeback and harms the whole industry.
sebby1234 wrote:In a way, it seems that the saying is that because my user can get rewards for playing online, it creates an unfair advantage. But then again, I could say that because other affiliates havemany websites, decent page ranking and established content that it creates an unfair advantage to new entries in the market.This is just a barrier to entry; there is nothing unfair about having established sites, and, in fact, that is a crucial part of the market. Portal developers spend a lot of time and resources to produce a good product which is rewarded by solid traffic and often a high PR. We work with our affiliate partners to provide good promotions for players, in addition to our value-added content.
sebby1234 wrote:Although I can understand some of the resaoning and can see why some shady operators could use an incentive based program to try and lure existing players to them (which I have no intent of doing). It seems that taking all the profits without encouraging your players in any way is also a selfish way to run a business.The successful sites are not banner farms, but, rather, they are built on original content, special offers/freerolls and provide value to the players without skewing the playing field on returns. A lot of the revenues brought into to sites go back into development to provide content and features for players.
sebby1234 wrote:In my oppinion, rewards isn’t the only reason why a player would pick a perticular site. Some may perfer the articles or the up to date site listings. I think I am just catering to a different segment of the audianceThis segment is really “discount” gambling — this skews the odds for the casino, and for all of us as well. You can reward your players with freerolls, exclusive bonuses and the like, but once you change the equation on payouts, you enter a very slippery slope.
Ok, I guess I can say I have a better understanding. That being said, I will obviously but will rethink the format of the site. Would be a shame to throw away all this work
It is a very nicely structured site.
You might have the spot where it says what type reward lead to a review?
Offer freerolls? Pick out special incentives from the casinos – some groups routinely give away cruises or cars or all kinds of special things to players. A site listing all these would be a good content site.
