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in december winner offered me to sending them players an a cpa deal and 1000 $ money to run private tournaments.
i thought a platin sponsor at gpwa must be trustable
so we setupt a tournament with 1000 $ added to the pricepool on december 22 and promote them at liveevents and on the internetsite
(i`m working together with some live tournamentmanagers cause they have no time for the affiliatehings and share the comissions with them)we got over 80 registrations and 56 depositing players but they refused to pay the 8300 $ comission
after the tournament the am told me that my players are not playing poker (i can`t imagine that this is really true cause when the players deposit money and play our tournament they have money left in their accounts and the only thing that they can do with this money is to play poker !) but i asked the am to give the players some time to play cause its xmas and they all are in stress with buying gifts…
and i offered him to run another tournament and start a rakerace where we give away 3 entrys to the one million guaranteed tournament (all prices paid from me !)
but never get an answer (normally a programm works together with their affiliates to get the best results of a relationship-but maybe thats only my opinion)i have shown the am where and how we promote the tournament at the site from the tournamentmanager
the next thing that the am did was contacting the tournamentmanager and told him that winner is still interested in working together with him and want him to bring them more players-so he tried to bring me out of bussiness
i hope you can explain here why you want more from these bad players that are not playing poker !?
if this is the way you are doing bussiness you won`t go far
at the end i want to say sorry to everyone who read this story in another affiliateforum but i see it as a performance of duty to warn other affiliates for working with these scammers
Hi Frank,
Have you spoke to Ilan yet? If not, please PM me with your best e-mail address and I will put you both in touch + help resolve this issue.
Warren
@frankm69 214902 wrote:
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at the end i want to say sorry to everyone who read this story in another affiliateforum but i see it as a performance of duty to warn other affiliates for working with these scammers
Thanks. What is your affiliate manager?
so i`m not the only one
they offered me a nice cpa and 2000 $ for private tournaments
i allways start carefull with new rooms so i promoted them slowly and only send them 15 players
after running the first tournament with 200 $ added pricepool my am told me that they are not happy cause all my players used paysafecard (here in germany 90% use paysafecard so thats normal) and only made small deposits
as they are part of a network with around 40 different rooms and their first deposit bonus isn`t attractive it was not a surprise for me
i requested to setup the next tournament but the am didn`t answer (at the beginning he allways did within a few minutes !)
after a couple of emails and days they told me that my players are not playing poker (are you really wondering about this ? if you are a pokerplayer and i promise you that you can play in 10 private tournaments with added pricepool of 200 $ when you create an account there and after one tournament there are running no others every player felt scammed !)
they refused to pay me 3000 $ comission-were not answering to my emails but the worst thing is that i get a bad reputation at my players
after a couple of emails asking for payment and running the other tournaments-still no answer
after sending an email to their head of affiliates and letting them now that i`m going to post about this issue in different affiliateforums they told me that all my players are using the same computer lol
sorry but its really bad that they don`t know how their software is working
i don`t now any pokerroom out there where it is possible for two players to play in the same tournament from the same computer
[FONT="]Let’s clarify some facts regarding your affiliate account at Winner Affiliates:
[/FONT]
[FONT="]Someone contacted Winner Affiliates and asked for a CPA deal, and a special poker promotion at Winner.com. He claimed that he is representing a poker site, and that he can generate decent traffic.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Soon after the promotion began we realized that all players are depositing exactly 20EUR. 100% of these players tried to make a deposit. Most players who managed to deposit at Winner.com, never logged back to their account. These are clear signs of a CPA abuser. Why would one deposit money at a poker room, but never play?[/FONT]
[FONT="]We have a fraud team which immediately noticed this subspecies activity, and informed us of the problem.[/FONT]
[FONT="]We sent an email to the owner of the poker site, informing him of the trouble with one of his moderators (apparently you). The owner of the site claimed that you are his friend, but he then created his own affiliate account.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Due to the confusing situation we asked not to send anymore traffic, and we offered the person 50% revenue share for this fraud traffic.[/FONT]
[FONT="]We ask for more time to investigate, but you chose to post disinformation on good affiliate forums.[/FONT]
[FONT="]Our affiliate program is relatively new, yet we already paid thousands of affiliates. We pay full amounts, on time, even if the traffic looks bad, but why should we pay for fraud?[/FONT]
[FONT="]We have a huge budget for player acquisition, a very good product, and an experienced team of dedicated affiliate managers. They are here to manage real affiliates, and establish healthy business relationships.[/FONT]
[FONT="]If you want to discuss further then contact me personally ilan @ WinnerAffiliates.com, or call me +44-800-0470-700.
PS.
Maika64 – not sure who you are, but if you really want to discuss any issue then contact me.
[/FONT]I have had similar issues like this in the past. Its a hard thing!!!
The programs want to protect themselves. And at the same time the affiliates want to get paid….
I have often in the past suggested affiliates try HYBRID deals for this reason!!!!
It stands to reason – the first few weeks/month that players will not rake enough to warrant the high cpa they are offered…..
CPA is tricky and will always cause this exact problem. And in the end players, programs, affilaites, operators, and the industry will suffer from this.
I know from the past when we have got players – it takes a couple of months for them to get really active – and maybe this is the case here….
But sometimes its best to negotiate a middle ground!!!! We cant expect the Affiliate programs to pay out huge money while bad trafifc is sent.
While programs cant offer such deals and then renage on them..
This is the reason why any new programs we offer or deal with we do a trial for a couple of months!!!!
This is the exact reason!!!! And this only confirms what i have said all along.
With CPA either the Affiliate loses or the program. 9/10 it will be the affiliate since payments will be stopped.
As affiliates we need to be smart yet honest with the programs!!!
So as a rule – even if we feel we can send whales!!! we never give an exact figure..
I hope this gets worked out folks!! Please try and work it out so both parties benefit!!
Perhaps lower the cpa and add a small rev share to it!!!!
Next time – try and work out a prearranged payment!! to be safe!!!!
If you do this – you will never have this issue again!!
Cheers folks!
Originally Posted by Winneraff
Let’s clarify some facts regarding your affiliate account at Winner Affiliates:
Someone contacted Winner Affiliates and asked for a CPA deal, and a special poker promotion at Winner.com. He claimed that he is representing a poker site, and that he can generate decent traffic.from the beginning i told hanan that i`m not the owner of these sites but i`m working with them and am able to send a lot of new player-think 56 depositing players for the first month is not bad
Soon after the promotion began we realized that all players are depositing exactly 20EUR. 100% of these players tried to make a deposit. Most players who managed to deposit at Winner.com, never logged back to their account. These are clear signs of a CPA abuser. Why would one deposit money at a poker room, but never play?
20 euro is the minimum deposit that a player have to make. the players signed up cause they want to play the tournament with the added pricepool. i don`t believe that noone of them is coming back and noone of them is playing poker.
why should they make bigger deposits if you only offer a 200 $ bonus at a rate with 100 points per bonusdollar ?
you are part of a big network with about 40 pokerrooms and the most of them offer much better bonuses than you !
why should they play at winnerpoker when you offer nothing special ? if you want to grow fast and become a big one in this network you have to do- maybe only my thought
maybe offering a big tournament just before xmas to getting new players was a mistake
i offered you a couple off times to run a rakerace with prices that i pay and i`m sure that all these players would like this and play much more but never get an answer on this
why are you not working together with your affiliates if they try to drive the results going better ?
We have a fraud team which immediately noticed this subspecies activity, and informed us of the problem.
We sent an email to the owner of the poker site, informing him of the trouble with one of his moderators (apparently you). The owner of the site claimed that you are his friend, but he then created his own affiliate account.
Due to the confusing situation we asked not to send anymore traffic, and we offered the person 50% revenue share for this fraud traffic.you have made a deal with me so it doesn`t matter what the siteowner is doing !
We ask for more time to investigate, but you chose to post disinformation on good affiliate forums.i tell the story from my site cause i have no proof that the things you are saying are true and i know that some players are playing
Our affiliate program is relatively new, yet we already paid thousands of affiliates. We pay full amounts, on time, even if the traffic looks bad, but why should we pay for fraud?
maybe my players are bad (not playing much or didn`t find the time to play because xmas) but how could they be fraud if they all are playing in the tournament ?
how could they be fraud if they are able to withdraw money after proving their identity ?
so saying you pay the full amount on time even if the traffic looks bad can`t be true
all the players you get are real players who made a deposit and qualify for a cpa-so you have to pay my comission
We have a huge budget for player acquisition, a very good product, and an experienced team of dedicated affiliate managers. They are here to manage real affiliates, and establish healthy business relationships
If you want to discuss further then contact me personally ilan @ WinnerAffiliates.com, or call me +44-800-0470-700.
Cost Per Acquisition (CPA)Winner.com offers its affiliates a very competitive CPA commission rate for real depositing poker players. You will receive a guaranteed flat rate for every new depositing player that you refer. The more players you bring, the more money per player you make. This structure delivers commission regardless of whether the player you referred wins or loses.
Commission Tables
The tables below set forth the consideration that applies to the Revenue Share and to the CPA payment plans. Table A shows the percentage levels that are set monthly according to your account’s Casino Net Revenue. Table B shows the percentage levels that are set monthly according to your account’s Poker Net Revenue. Table C shows the percentage levels that are set monthly according to your account’s Bingo Net Revenue. Table D shows the stages of the Casino CPA payment plan, in accordance with the number of new qualifying Players that you directed to the Sites each month. Table E shows the stages of the Poker CPA payment plan, in accordance with the number of new qualifying Players that you directed to the Sites each month. Table F shows the stages of the Bingo CPA payment plan, in accordance with the number of new qualifying Players that you directed to the Sites each month.
CPA Plan – Poker:
1 to 10 new players per month – $70 CPA per player
11 to 20 new players per month – $80 CPA per player
21 to 30 new players per month – $95 CPA per player
31 to 40 new players per month – $120 CPA per player
41 to 50 new players per month – $135 CPA per player
51 new players and more per month – $150 CPA per player*A “new player” is a player directed by you who makes a minimum initial deposit of $20.
@GFPC 214972 wrote:
I have had similar issues like this in the past. Its a hard thing!!!
The programs want to protect themselves. And at the same time the affiliates want to get paid….
I have often in the past suggested affiliates try HYBRID deals for this reason!!!!
It stands to reason – the first few weeks/month that players will not rake enough to warrant the high cpa they are offered…..
CPA is tricky and will always cause this exact problem. And in the end players, programs, affilaites, operators, and the industry will suffer from this.
I know from the past when we have got players – it takes a couple of months for them to get really active – and maybe this is the case here….
But sometimes its best to negotiate a middle ground!!!! We cant expect the Affiliate programs to pay out huge money while bad trafifc is sent.
While programs cant offer such deals and then renage on them..
This is the reason why any new programs we offer or deal with we do a trial for a couple of months!!!!
This is the exact reason!!!! And this only confirms what i have said all along.
With CPA either the Affiliate loses or the program. 9/10 it will be the affiliate since payments will be stopped.
As affiliates we need to be smart yet honest with the programs!!!
So as a rule – even if we feel we can send whales!!! we never give an exact figure..
I hope this gets worked out folks!! Please try and work it out so both parties benefit!!
Perhaps lower the cpa and add a small rev share to it!!!!
Next time – try and work out a prearranged payment!! to be safe!!!!
If you do this – you will never have this issue again!!
Cheers folks!
thanks for your advice
I´m allways interested in building longterm relationships
i don`t only try to fill my pockets i want that the programm is allthough happy and earns money
but if the programm doesn`t do anything to work something out with his affiliate to get better results its a no go for me
Hopefully some mediation could be of help.
I wish the best for both affiliate and the program!!!
Hopefully you can now work together on this.
Have a good evening guys.
there is no chance to find a solution
these scammers keep telling me that all my players use the same computer
maybe ilan can explain here how 15 players can signup for the same tournament from the same computer-good luck with it and you better change your name to looseraffiliates
i give you guys a year until you close your doors and are out of bussiness
I received their payment at the month.
If you choose the rev share plan, there is no the problem.
why not?@Maik64 215102 wrote:
there is no chance to find a solution
these scammers keep telling me that all my players use the same computer
maybe ilan can explain here how 15 players can signup for the same tournament from the same computer-good luck with it and you better change your name to looseraffiliates
i give you guys a year until you close your doors and are out of bussiness
Either its the same serial number (computer number) which would get automatically blocked by ipoker if more than one account was created, or, its the same IP or IP sub meaning a bunch of computers connected to the same internet, like a LAN or something, I dont think that would be blocked instantly.
