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Well, scew them now, I know all the prepaid visa and mastercards that work w/ their processor each and every time. I’m going to report them to the CC companies, and I’m going to get as many people as I can to report their WU and MG receivers on a daily basis, it’s a thought I had about 8 months ago, so I’ve been collecting data. I already asked WU if I video capture me logging into their site and requesting a WU receiver and forwarding it to them they can shut that receiver down immediately, so its time to fight back.
Seriously, I can’t do this myself but if we get a small handful of people to relentlessly do what I said above we can shut them down.. Especially on the WU and MG, … but I imagine that most people deposit w/ prepaid gift cards, and I already have these transactions saved, it only takes a few emails on this one.
@xChrisx 222977 wrote:
Just when you didn’t think it could get worse:
Now (unless pending technical errors) you cannot even access “player balance” or “player open bets” in their stats.
It’s been like this all day and I hope it doesn’t stay like this because this is one less way of knowing if your stats are honest. If stats stay this way, watch out, their doing it for a reason (which we know what that is.)
This is so not cool
Also Added: How hard do they expect you to work with/ for them? I’m not a big affiliate but I send them consistently about 100 visitors a month of organic seo traffic, and my conversions are terrible, I’m lucky if I get one sign-up every few months and one conversion every 5-6 months (I’m not exaggerating this either.)
When I first started 10 years ago I liked the affiliate open bets section to simply survive. If I had a guy large on a game I would bet the same team for less to insure a profit somewhere else. What a shame they took that away from You newer folks.
Okay, let me elaborate on this. They use primarily 3 CC processors that they juggle around. They are tracked differently and apparently their processors are fronts from processors posing as service industry processors for online services and and IT.
I know of 5 Visas, and 3 Mastercards that work each and every time w/ bookmaker deposits. This one is a no brainer, but if others do the same it’s not hard to cover most US Card companies, and directly to VC/MC. The WU and MG is really easy but takes a quite a few people do do this. Video capture yourself logging into bookmaker or DSI, record logging in, going to chat, and requesting a WU and/or MG receiver (make sure you blackout your login, acct balance, etc, etc for anonymity, then immediately forward it to the WU/MG fraud department, they can shut the receiver down instantly I know this because I already asked. If we have everyone doing this bookmaker folds !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@xChrisx 222981 wrote:
Okay, let me elaborate on this. They use primarily 3 CC processors that they juggle around. They are tracked differently and apparently their processors are fronts from processors posing as service industry processors for online services and and IT.
I know of 5 Visas, and 3 Mastercards that work each and every time w/ bookmaker deposits. This one is a no brainer, but if others do the same it’s not hard to cover most US Card companies, and directly to VC/MC. The WU and MG is really easy but takes a quite a few people do do this. Video capture yourself logging into bookmaker or DSI, record logging in, going to chat, and requesting a WU and/or MG receiver (make sure you blackout your login, acct balance, etc, etc for anonymity, then immediately forward it to the WU/MG fraud department, they can shut the receiver down instantly I know this because I already asked. If we have everyone doing this bookmaker folds !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
as much as I would love to see them suffer, I do not want to see other , more honest sportsbooks, suffer. And if any of the others use the methods you are talking about, it wouldn’t be the right thing to do. If we all just get the word out there to those in our industry that BM, CRIS, DSI are crooks, it will effetc their bottom line.
@dolfan20 222982 wrote:
as much as I would love to see them suffer, I do not want to see other , more honest sportsbooks, suffer. And if any of the others use the methods you are talking about, it wouldn’t be the right thing to do. If we all just get the word out there to those in our industry that BM, CRIS, DSI are crooks, it will effetc their bottom line.
To be completely honest, this is why I haven’t done this yet. It’s tempting though. I don’t want affiliates (who have reached their quota to be affected, nor do I want players who chose to bet there to be penalized.) This is what has held me back on this all this time.
I think it would do a whole lot of harm to a whole lot of innocent people of you did this.
Better just to blacklist them and make sure other affiliates know about it and beware.
@Dominique 222991 wrote:
I think it would do a whole lot of harm to a whole lot of innocent people of you did this.
Better just to blacklist them and make sure other affiliates know about it and beware.
I agree, and this is why I haven’t done this (nor will I probably ever do this.) It’s just a shame that I would even be put in a position to where I even considered it. If not for players, other companies that may use the same processors, and for affiliates that have reached the ridiculous 10 active player quota, I would have done this 8 months ago.
Any graphic experts out there who can make really nice “no bookmaker” buttons or small banners that we can get EVERYONE to post on their sites? We can even link it to an info site telling the story and link the button to it. It would be a public site, contributors can even post a link for back link. I’m sure we can get a few thousand people (easily) posting a “no bookmaker” button considering the shear numbers of affiliates who they screwed over.
BTW: Stats are back up to normal (thank God) but when they were missing it really made me worry that bookmaker was going to another step to steal from affiliates.
One last thing, they shortened their cookies for affiliate ID’s too. Cookies expire now in two weeks. Don’t quote me on this but I’m almost positive they used to be 60 days (before this Keith came in.) 60 days being industry standard.
This is such a joke. They don’t want affiliates to reach their quota, the want affiliates to try to get sign-ups so they can be raped from them after wards.
I did a write up on this arguing to why bookmaker is rogue.
It’ll should be posted on the gamblingaffiliatesunion.org website today. It needs to be voted on however for them to be classified as rogue. I just hope I made my argument strong enough.
You can check it out and hopefully support it (as in vote them as rogue please!!!)
Nevertheless, I really hope this helps to get the word out.
The poll is now live at GAU…
The Gambling Affiliates UnionPlease vote – the GAU is your voice!
Even though DSI and Bookmaker are essentially the same company, they do have employees that specialize in the separate brands. So, I was told by the Bookmaker affiliate manager that even though he had an active “10 player rule” DSI did not and maybe go over there and promote them. Funny, it is basically like the a company holding money owed to you and then wanting you to continue working and earning without getting the money you are owed.
These guys are totally outrageous and have found a way to steal close to 1 million dollars from affiliates and justify it.
Hi all, Im basically new in IM, i have a sportbooks related page for 2 months now. I sign up to bookmaker affiliate program and some others, until now they have call a few times asking why i’m not producing money, I find those calls annoying and now that read this thread I think I will quit their program.
PD. Sorry for my bad english.
I know this is an old post but does anyone know how the outcome went for xChrisx.
I stopped promoting Bookmaker when the new terms came out. They are not at all friendly toward small to medium affiliates.
