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Thank you for your unfounded negative comments about me. Seems to me as a Moderator here, you should be keeping your personal remarks, as to my character, to yourself, unless you are ready to back them up. I didn’t post in this forum to be insulted and will not just sit back and take it! The issue I present here is a Player and Affiliate issue, this was well under way, before I got involved. My roll in this is to shamelessly promote myself and hopefully get a few visitors to my forum.
I have been around the player forums with the Name Cyalater8 for a few years now. My main focus has always been flaming message boards and making a nusiance of myself. I’m considered to be a trouble maker and enjoy that reputation of being a shit stirer. If I do a negative post about a site I back in up with facts and Data. Even Marco from Bingo Hall has posted favorable comments about my honesty. I have defended actions of Bingo Hall, Party Bingo and other Bingo Sites.
When I started flaming 7 months ago, my goal was to have a forum where players and sites dont know my true intentions. I still have faith in that concept. We have flamed a few sites and hope to be doing more of this in the future. In order to get my barbs in sites I decided to impersonate an Affiliate on sites that staff and myself have decided actually have traffic (unlike my own) and deemed them Fair Game. On my index page, I have a forum called Approved Bingo Sites! In there you will find links and Banners to 11 sites whom I havent flamed, yet. So I’m not getting rich and most of my sites income was coming from Revenue Giants, but I removed their Banners when I saw the opportunity to flame them to promote myself.
Dominique said:
Quote:I agree that this is not an affiliate matter and outside of Revenue Giant’s responsibilities and capacities and they are really not responsible for a glitch in Parlay’s software.The truth is! I have seen no proof that there ever was a glitch in the keno program software. If I’m not mistaken, the keno game uses the same platform and software on all their sister sites and there were no problems there. The players contend a Malfunction was declared to get out of paying multiple wins. And once again I ask you Dominique, what facts do you have to back up the above quote?
I have followed your posts also and must say you are very knowledgeable about the Casino Industry, but have not a clue as to what’s going on in Bingo World! I say this because more than once I have seen proof offered to you that a Bingo site is bad and you tossed it all off as hogwash! I believe you reach many conclusions by just glancing at a topic and don’t really take the time to really read and gather all the facts before you post an opinion. Proof of this is in your own words in your first post under this topic.
I should be addressing my remarks at Rgscott Not warding off an attack by someone that has a personel dislike of me and doing her best to discredit me in this forum.
I received and email from Roo on 4/8/2006 in the email he said:
Quote:I have been informed that Marco is not handling this matter and has not
responded as Jon Daley, President of Bingohall is personally dealing with
this matter.The problem is not with Revenue Giant, I have always found them the best to be affiliated with. This problem rests on the shoulders of Jon Daley.
I don’t have a dog in this hunt, but it is usually considered poor form to post a direct quote from an email on a public forum. I know I would not be happy about it if you did it to me without permission.
pokermonger wrote:I don’t have a dog in this hunt, but it is usually considered poor form to post a direct quote from an email on a public forum. I know I would not be happy about it if you did it to me without permission.Seriously? That’s what you take from this thread ?
A very strange and minor issue to have IMO.
:eh:If you send an email then it’s not private property – and to publish it completely in full seems fair. Emails are like postcards and are certainly not bound by any confidentiality or secrecy requirements.
Let stay focused on the big issue as there does appear to be a legitimate situation to be covered. Certainly give Scott time to prepar a response …
But it is the failure to pay and suspension of accounts that worry me – not a fully published email ..
:eh:LOL, yes Gooner, that is what I took from the thread. Obviously I am in the minority about the email deal, I just don’t want anything I put in an email posted somewhere. No worries though.
As far as this thread, I completely intend to read the response from Scott or Roo before making any judgement. I learned a long time ago to investigate things myself before making decisions, especially ones argued about on forums. I have also learned that most of the time a player is crying about an account that was closed, it turns out they did something they shouldn’t have. Not saying that is what is going on here, was just making an observation. My sincerest apologies.
Didn’t post the whole email just that one part.
Dominique wrote:I agree that this is not an affiliate matter and outside of Revenue Giant’s responsibilities and capacities and they are really not responsible for a glitch in Parlay’s software.Ladyholdem, yes, Cyalator posts at other forums and is always negative, shows no interest in the general forum as a rule except for his his agenda. Is not a supportive poster in any forum I know of but his own.
That is what made me sceptical about claims in the first place.
If the claims are not valid then Scott will tell us so – and it’s case closed. But that’s not the feeling I’m getting.
Cyalater8 might be a negative poster on other forums – but let’s take the situation at face value please – as it is a serious matter for players and affiliates.
IMO, Revenue Giants are responsible for a satisfactory resolution to the claims as they are the merchant selling the goods. If the casino prograqm opts out and says that it’s not their responsibility that’s not right – agreed that they should be pushing Parlay to provide the compensation – but Revenue Giants do need to stand in for their players and not try to avoid the issue.
😮The players are not registered and playing with Parley – they’re playing with Revenue Giants. It’s like a store not offering customer satisfaction on a purchased TV or toaster simply becuase they didn’t make it themselves. The store makes good – and gets recompense from the manufacturer/distributor.
As I understand it – the amount is relatively small – given the profits of Revenue Giants – and I would expect some sort of contingency fund to be in place. Responsibility must be taken – even if it is not a full payout.
No matter what the failure was to ignore the claim – and to subsequently ban players based on forum posts is completely inappropriate business practice.
:unhappy:If a sportsbook does not pay out – then I publicise that fact and drop them immediately from my sites. I would treat a casino group the same way – and that’s what makes this an affiliate matter IMO.
IF it happened to a player from my site – then I’d be pushing this too – I’d have to to retain credibility for my visitors and forum users. So far Cyalater8 has tried to remain professional and to the point despite quite a few negative posts.
Scott is treating it seriously (full credit there) and to me this is extremely serious – until researched – and a mutually satisfactory resolution is found.
:hmmm:pokermonger wrote:LOL, yes Gooner, that is what I took from the thread. Obviously I am in the minority about the email deal, I just don’t want anything I put in an email posted somewhere. No worries though.As far as this thread, I completely intend to read the response from Scott or Roo before making any judgement. I learned a long time ago to investigate things myself before making decisions, especially ones argued about on forums. I have also learned that most of the time a player is crying about an account that was closed, it turns out they did something they shouldn’t have. Not saying that is what is going on here, was just making an observation. My sincerest apologies.
No problem with me mate …
I’m usually in agreement with your posts – so I was surprised to read it.Understand your views better now – thanks for the follow-up.
:satisfiedGuys lets discuss the situation civily.
Since this is not an affiliate issue this is probably not the best forum to seek a solution. I am going to move the thread (yet again) to the Player Due Dilligence area since it seems more suited to that area.
Again let me warn everyone to remain on an even keel and not bring personalities into the discussion.
Cyalater8 since this is your first exposure to our community you will probably get scrutinized a little more then you might at other boards. Please bear that in mind and please be respectful of the moderators and other members.
The rest of the participants in this thread seem to have a common iBond and this has not escaped me, lets mind our Ps and Qs please.
I appologize if I said anything to offend anybody – I found the posts on Cyalater8’s forum upsetting. And so, always one to speak up, I may have spoken up too soon, and too strongly, as we have yet to hear from any other parties involved in this.
I also appologize to Revenue Giants, for the same reasons, I should have waited for more information!
I’ll just stay out of this issue and quietly read without posting. :blush:
When I brought this issue to this forum, I had no illusions it would be settled and the players get what they rightfully won. No, I wanted to merely create an illusion myself that I was interested in players, when in fact I am just interested in self promotion! Ha Ha, take that David Coperfield! Who’s the illusionist now baby? The players have tried to resolve these issues with Vic’s and Jon Daley is standing by his Malfunction story. They pass the blame off to Parlay! Parlay denies any of this! Revenue Giants contends its not there problem.
So here we are moved out of another forum (Revenue Giant) like a hot potato. All the principal involved in this issue is pointing the finger at someone else. So once again the players lose! Well players have been taken advantage of since online bingo began, by bad Bingo Sites and Affiliates that advertise for them, why shouldn’t I be allowed to take advantage of their misfortune too? But that tide is changing. Players are sending the message They are mad as hell and not going to take it anymore Players now have forums to share information about their experiences with other players. Technology is a wonderful thing and more and more players are tuning in on the sites that cheat them and the affiliates that endorse them. Another wonderful thing is Milk of Magnesia, I am going to ingest a bottle of it to rid myself of all this shit I am stuffed with! A big change is in the air, or is that just gas… Sorry. Bravo to those of you seeing it coming , and “oh well you were warned” to the uniformed.
Vic’s may choose not to settle with these players, but at least the players involved got to be heard here!
Some of you may take their claim with a grain of salt. Some of you may prefer a hot coffee enema like myself. Others may look at what was presented here and see that the players were cheated. I’m not asking anyone to publicly support this issue! I just want to shill for you to visit my lonely forum. The peer pressure here has to be enormous! This is a big $$$$$$ issue against a very successful and powerful site. We have no expectations, If we only get a message to a few affiliates fine!I stated the players case and presented their evidence, I even made believe I cared, come on work with me here! There is much more out there if anyone is interested! In closing, I should say the players We represent have had access to the link to this thread and reading your remarks first hand. I do believe etiquette allows me to link but not copy content lol.
There is no regulation in this industry and I say some is needed to prevent people like me from giving legitimate communities a head ache! :guitar:
I am not going to respond to the very insulting post you made next to last.
I will explain though why I take your posts with a grain of salt, or ten.
You have a for-profit forum (nothing wrong with that) the survival of which depends on people needing help against evil Bingo Halls. If people are happy, you have no topics. This makes your posts self-serving.
So I have watched you making your rounds through various forums spreading the word about there being lots of evil Bingo Halls that need to be stopped and leaving links to your forum. I call that spamming.
You don’t find the Casinomeister doing that, and that’s not because he’s established. He has never done that. He also doesn’t light fires, he puts them out. There is a big difference.
Now, I am sure that there are Bingo Halls that are not kosher, they are sprouting up like mushrooms these days. They can’t all be viable. Some are bound to resort to dirty tricks.
I did take one of your pronouncements of an “evil Bingo Hall” to heart and am not allowing Zany Bingo to join my forum. But as for the rest of your opinions, they just have not convinced me. I am not about to destroy someone’s business because some people are sore losers and the like. It takes a lot of convincing for me to rogue any business. I am quite aware of the weight my opinion can carry at times and I am very, very careful with it.
Now to come here and tell me I know nothing about Bingo because I simply do not believe all the stories people tell is ……
Cyalater8…
I posted yesterday and said we are looking into it and will get back to this thread as soon as possible. It is with good reason that we are not able to post anything related to this case at this point – because our president has taken it over.
You posted your first post on the weekend, indeed a holiday weekend in many parts of the world. This is a major issue for us, and one that we’re still working to resolve. There are many more moving parts to it than simply writing a response on a long weekend.
I never, at any point, said it wasn’t RevenueGiants.com problem. I did say that this issue goes beyond the scope of what RevenueGiants is as an affiliate program, which is exactly why we couldn’t give you a response right away.
As I said, we will get back to you with a response as soon as possible. I do understand that affiliates are concerned about this matter.
Thanks,
Scott
RevenueGiants.comCyalator, you now have established contact with people who are willing and able to help.
Courtesy would have you move on to private talks and problem resolution, if you are actually interested in resolving the issue.
Cyalater8 wrote:When I brought this issue to this forum, I had no illusions it would be settled and the players get what they rightfully won. The players have tried to resolve these issues with Vic’s and Jon Daley is standing by his Malfunction story. They pass the blame off to Parlay! Parlay denies any of this! Revenue Giants contends its not there problem.I’m sorry you came here expecting to find no resolution ? Rather a waste of time.. Why did you bother ? Belive me if i felt one person on my site was cheated.. I’d be all over the internet and I WOULD find a resolution..
Cyalater8 wrote:Vic’s may choose not to settle with these players, but at least the players involved got to be heard here!
Some of you may take their claim with a grain of salt. Others may look at what was presented here and see that the players were cheated. I’m not asking anyone to publicly support this issue! The peer pressure here has to be enormous! This is a big $$$$$$ issue against a very successful and powerful site. We have no expectations, If we only get a message to a few affiliates fine!I have recently began promoting Vic’s pretty heavily. Which is why I found your thread so quickly in the Rev Giants thread. The peer pressure is a bit over my head though, you see I run a business, not a high school. I am interested in the outcome of your dispute, as I’m sure many ppl that promote Vics and other Rev Giants properties are. You did get a responce from RG so I guess we shall have to wait and see. These things seem to take atleast a few weeks to iron themselves out once they pop up here.
Cyalater8 wrote:I stated the players case and presented their evidence. There is much more out there if anyone is interested! In closing, I should say the players We represent have had access to the link to this thread and reading your remarks first hand. I do believe etiquette allows me to link but not copy content lol.I am sure CAP thanks you for both the backlink and exposure.. As for etiquette, not much into it myself, IMO a person that does not want their email copied into a thread has something to hide. There are those that have that lil confidentiality disclaimer in them .. dunno how that stands up in court, but.. if I make an agreement with anyone via email, or IM, and they do not uphold to that agreement, and this is where i choose to resolve my dispute, in order to prove that I treated them fairly, and was not treated in kind, the email would come right along with the post..
Cyalater8 wrote:There is no regulation in this industry and I feel none is needed! But I do think the industry could police itself and speak up and defend players that make their comfortable life possible. :guitar:We do do that there, actually, that’s why I am a member, and why I read threads daily, programs are accountable to both players and affiliates. You did post in the right place, and received a pretty quick responce from Rev Giants..
As a forum owner, I’m sure you realize that new members, that post negatively, without so much as a hello in the newbie dept.. are automatically scrutinized, it doesnt mean that noone belives you, or gives a damn what you have to say, it means that we will likely have alot more questions for you, as we know nothing about you.
If a Senior member here were to post the same thing that you did, he wouldn’t have recieved the same scrutiny, because we’ve probably all read a few hundred of his/her posts and have some idea what he/she is about..
Anyway, good luck, and I hope that your players do get what they deserve, from what I’ve read so far, it does look as though they deserve something… as for errors, what did their contract with the site say when they signed up, just curious here..
~LadyH
Agreed. Professional courtesy goes a long way to help smooth any issues or ill feeling that can be picked up through posting on forums, PMing or emailing. Most of which is usually unintentional anyway.
Remember that recipients or participants are often in different timezones, with different holidays and have their own politics to work though internally. Coming from “down-under” i get used to the delays – unless I’m staying up late to get a response.
In this case the CAP forum has worked to deliver a message to the correct parties – and they are looking into the details of the issue. That is significant progress.
We seem to have mentioned at least three or four groups – so you know it will take a bit of time to sort out. Can we have a weekly update ?
Then we will know the full story – and know that it has been resolved in a satisfactory manner – and see the benefit of the CAP forum in action.
We’re watching.
:rolleyes:
