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I don’t know if I should speak up here or not because either way it’s going to cause a lot more work for Ryan.
So … sorry Bud.
I contacted Ryan and requested he look over my last couple months and just tell me whether i’d made more money the old way, or the new.
he came back that the firt of the two month’s I’d have made …roughly 1/3 more. the second month he replied I’d have made 1/3 less … the second month being slightly more than the first so over all i’d have lost a little bit of ground.
Now that’s being honest. So if you can believe that then also know that Ryan told me that my case was not the norm … and in most cases I’d have actually seen a little better
my point being that while I’m always cynical when it comes to money … and I couldn’t agree more whole-heartedly that it is unlikely any program would introduce an option which is going to further bite into the program’s bottom line …
that perhaps the new deal isn’t quite as evil as some would portray …
I have agreed to switch to the new deal on at least one of my accounts at CR (I have two or three .. my bad?) because assuming things are almost equal all things considered …. I find it incredibly appealing that I can cheer FOR my players rather than have to “grin and bare it” because first of all you MUST have winners or you’ll not have players (for very long anyway) and I would just very much prefer to be genuinely happy for my players when they win … IF I can still make close to the same money.
Throw in the fact I don’t have to worry about a big win at the end of the month and it was enough to get me to swing things over.
one final aspect was a convincing factor for me… which is how the slot games have apparently begun to have so many more of these … what I call “non-wins” which is where the slot game pays back an equal or lesser amount of your wager … the older slots had leaned more towards either not paying or else you’d get a win of at least twice your wager… and that just isn’t so anymore with the thunderstrucks and almost all the 5 reels anymore all have those “non-wins” happening seemingly (to me) about every other spin so what I’m thinking is that if the games keep going towards that direction they’ll be set up to extend play without ever really giving or taking more money …
of course I’ve not seen any data to back that up just a hunch more than anything …
You’re right about the slots, I have been researching them a lot.
There are various ways they pay out, and a lot of the newer ones will let you play and play and play because they pay many many small amounts.
Some of the older ones barely ever pay, your bankroll goes down and down, and then suddenly you win a bunch.
People tend to play the new ones with the many wins a lot longer because one barely seems to lose any money.
Good for the wagering system.I did very well on the new system. I tend to have a lot of slots players.
Engineer wrote:Ryan,Can you please comment on my earlier post? Both BJF and myself (and others, perhaps) do not wish to adopt the new commission model.
Thanks. :wavey:
Hi Guys,
Not trying to leave you hanging. Unfortunately, I don’t get to make all the decisions around here … and as a result I’m waiting for some answers on a few questions too. Will post as soon as I have more info…
Hi All,
Thanks for your patience during the day … here’s the low down:
This was meant to be a very positive thing for affiliates and our program. We ran the beta testing in March and most (yes, more than half!) opted to move over to the new program either during March or on the 1st of April. The new system has proven stable and we’re delighted with the results.
The company decided that it only wants to support one program moving forward for a variety of reasons – the main one being to provide the best affiliate program we can. The end result was that they said, “If it’s a big success let’s get the rest over and give them the benefits of the new program!” So, we offered the opt-out for the last week of the month with plans to move the rest over.
In light of today’s posts, even a blind man can see that some of you are actually unhappy … well that wasn’t the point at all! Needless to say, I fielded a few questions on the forums and then a meeting was in order. I booked in an emergency meeting with with the top brass here with plans to go to bat for you guys and get something in the middle to keep everybody happy.
I think I’ve been able to get a solution that works for everybody …
1. Email myself or Renee before April 15th, 2006 stating that you wish to have your existing account moved back to the RevShare payment model.
2. We will move the existing account back on the RevShare model and you will be able to continue to earn from those players as always.
3. You need to open a NEW affiliate account with us under the new Wager Model. Use this link to promote our casino’s moving forward.
4. Include the new account’s affiliate id/username in your request email to us.
5. You will NOT be able to send NEW players to the account which was switched back to RevShare.
6. We will ‘map’ the old tracking code to the new wager account so that any traffic that ends up arriving via that old RevShare linking code will be credited to the new Wager account you have.
7. If you choose to have your existing account switched back to RevShare that is final. This means that if your commission is lower on the RevShare model, you are stuck with the lower amount.
8. You understand that you are forgoing all the benefits of the new system for those players. That is: Player Level Stats, Reduced Risk, Game Type Reports, and other associated market intel.So what does it all mean? It means all the work you put into promoting the RevShare program will yield the same results you were expecting. Period! However, since the company wants to support the new program moving forward, you’ll have to get a new wagering account and use that from now on.
Thoughts/Comments??
[Now, I’m going home for the day … expect replies, etc in the morning! Sydney time / GMT +10]
Thank you, Ryan. :cheers:
I think this is an acceptable solution. I don’t particularly like the fact that we will not be able to send NEW players to the old RevShare account, but at least you won’t be applying the new model to the existing player base (for those who have opted out of the new model, that is).
Thanks again for finding a solution.
Hi Ryan, does this mean that the people who chose not to change over will continue to use the existing account and new players will track through the revshare and not the new system?
Ryan wrote:Thoughts/Comments??I am very relieved!
While I love the new system and am happily dumping the rev share because my existing player base yields more in the new system, I was troubled by the retroative changes being mandatory.
I think Ryan and Renee are some of the most responsive and trustworthy managers out there, and seeing them in a situaton that was not acceptable really bothered me.
I am so glad that we got rid of the retroactive aspect. Old contracts will be honored, and going forward everyone can decide for themselves if they want to enter the new arrangement or not.
Good work, Ryan!
Siouxzee wrote:Hi Ryan, does this mean that the people who chose not to change over will continue to use the existing account and new players will track through the revshare and not the new system?Ryan is probably sleeping sleeping.g right now , but I think I can answer the question.All new referrals will be tracked through the new system (not the old system). This is the “final answer” from Casino Rewards.
You do have a choice to make regarding your existing referrals — if you do nothing / take no action, all of your existing players will be moved into the new system.
If you don’t want this to happen, i.e. if you want your past referrals to remain on the RevShare model, then you must take action — you need to create a new Casino Rewards account, and then you need to send the account details to Ryan or Renee. Then, what happens is this: Your existing players remain in the old account, which becomes locked, essentially, so that no new players can be added to the old account. New referrals will go to the new account, and commission earned from these new players will be calculated via the new wager share model only (not the old RevShare model).
So, the short answer to your question is that new players will not be tracked through the old RevShare model — new players will be tracked through the new wager share model.
Hope that helps. :satisfied
Hi Sue,
Dave/Engineer is 100% accurate in his interpretation & explaination.
Anything remaining unclear? Just let me know …
Hi Ryan,
We can keep our old players on the old system, but new players go to the new system, so basically you’re saying we no longer have the choice to opt out of this program.
Let me say first that I know you’ve worked very hard on this program and that hard work shows. It looks great, the detail is unprecedented and I don’t think you’re out to screw us in any way but I think your perspective is somewhat tilted toward the large affiliates.
I’ve never been a whiz at math so I can’t support my opinions with any formulas or numbers, but I have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express a couple times in my life.
To my convoluted way of thinking, I believe this program would definitely be an advantage to an affiliate with large numbers of players, but I don’t see the advantage (in fact I believe it would be a disadvantage) to an affiliate with just a few active players. A top affiliate has the advantage of averaging. Averaging out hundreds of players, you’re right. This program is kickass. Averaging out 5 active players, I can see revenue going from a couple hundred for a month’s deposits on revshare to $10 on the new program.
I would like to compare my last two months activity using both systems and see how that works out and I invite anyone who has a better grasp on math and averages (which would include anyone smart enough to turn on the computer and find their way to this page) to show me the way.
Sue
I am definitely not a math genious, but to me it appears that the quantity of the players isn’t that important, it’s the quality.
If your player likes to play and knows his/her game well, s/he can spend a lot of time playing on their deposit.
If your player comes in for the free money only, they may bet it all in a few strokes and you make little.
And that’s not that different from before, except that now I don’t worry about win or lose.
I also do not like or want this ‘new’ way of figuring the affiliate end. I would very much like CR to go back to the way it was before.
As far as I am concerned this new program at CR is a big loser for the affiliate. Is anyone really making more with this program? I don’t hear of a single person that is.
I have made less money with your program in the first 1/2 of this month than I did when I first started with CR back in 2002.
When I go from taking home an average of $1500 a month to less than $100, your ‘new’ program sucks as far as I am concerned.
Ryan, you said that all but 2% of the affiliates will make more money… Funny but every casino affiliate program I have ever seen, only 2% or less of the affiliates ever make any money… So as far as I can see, your ‘new’ program is targeting the 2% that do make money, so they will make less money.
I won’t put up with being Ripped Off by CR (and yes ripped off is how I feel), so I have asked to have my account at casino rewards closed. Yes I will lose my regular players at CR, but what does it really matter? I am not going to be making any more money off of them with this ‘new’ program anyway…
Oh ya, I have a side bet, with some of my employee’s… I have $100 down that this post will be deleted or edited…
We don’t delete posts here at all, and we only edit insults and threats and real nasty things, not complaints, whether they are founded or not.
I made a killing with the new system this month due to a player that played for a long time, hit a big win, and played it back.
Under the old system my comission would be lousy this month due to the win. I have added a zero versus losing one under the old system.
Obviously this won’t happen every month, but so far so good.
I reserve judgement until I have seen a good number of months, then I will compare earnings. If then I don’t like what I see, will replace them with another micro group.
But so far I am delighted.
Thanks for the quick reply Dominique and the assurance that I will not be edited (as long as I play nice :satisfied ).
I am glad you made a ‘killing’ this month, but I am sure you are aware that most have not.
I have been in this business long enough to know when to cut my losses. As far as I am concerned CR is now past history for me. I am waiting for my account to be closed.
Too many good casino affiliate programs out there to promote, so why waste time with one that is, at best, questionable.
Just to let you know for years CR was one of my favorite casino affiliate programs, I loved the fact they paid by the 5th of the month and I recommended this program to many (I even have sub-affiliates at CR that I will lose when my account is closed).
But as soon as this new affiliate manager (Ryan) took over the program has gone down hill (my opinion) and his ‘new’ way of figuring affiliate payments is the last straw with CR as far as I am concerned.
On a positive note, I do like the new stats at CR, but what good are they when your not making any money because of some confusing and misleading payment plan?
P.S. You know you cost me $100…. :yang2:
lots0 wrote:P.S. You know you cost me $100…. :yang2:Lol, sorry about that. I should have edited, deleted and maybe banned you! :hehe:
I am sure I won’t have a big winner losing it back every month. But given that at other programs I often lose a month’s worth of income due to the same circumstance (especially programs that bundle), I want to wait and see what the variance may be in the long run.
