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I really beggining to like your posts Chatmaster. August will be a month of discovery for me. I personally think CAP cannot be be sued, this is a open forum of free speech/ free expression. Nothing wrong with speaking your mind.
I will give an example, consider Capitol One Mastercard. Search for this under Google and out of 8 million pages you will find “Unofficial Capital One Consumer Complaint Site” in position 6. They offer a forum and tons of slanderous info on this credit card company. Out of 700 members not one has been sued. Plenty examples of people expressing their opinions on forums without legal action.
Perhaps the legal scenario could be played out if one personally attacts, say an individual.
888 continues to slap us around. I quess they figure having a big greed wallets will get them out of anything. Nothing on the WWW/internet cannot be erased, it takes time.
Google is reviewing the situation, as for Ecogra I have not received no response. Perhaps we all need to be reminded the 888 reaks of BS. 888 and their seo experts have stolen from all of us. The SE’s all are polluted with their BS, junk everywhere.
I agree, sending them spam reports does very little. Sure they close down the affiliate but fail to close down the person.
For those considering delisting 888 as rogue I feel would be a big mistake. Don’t let all our hard work go wasted. Perhaps more devious ways are needed, I will be turning up the heat shortly. We honest webmasters keep on getting fucked over by these dirty greed heads. I am no where close to throwing in the towel. Greek39
Yes Greek I agree, it seems logical to me that forum owners can be protected against legal action. But that also raises the question of who caries the responsibility of what is being said. The poster? I think it is important that the forum owners on their side are in on decisions made that potentially put them in harms way. There is no way I want to put Lou and Bryan in any danger of being sued.
The fact is however that things cannot carry on like this. I might be wrong but as I said this is just my objective view. I regularly read posts by Ziv in the SEO community,… To know he probably earn in excess of $1m a month by feeding 888 unsuspected traffic just drives me crazy, but that doesn’t earn me an income to go and hunt him down.The only people earning an income then is still 888 and Ziv. Who’s problem is this though? It is 888’s problem. Who does this effect? Everyone! So,… did we get to the source of the problem? So who is supposed to fix this? Definately not us!
No one polices the affiliate/marketing side of the industry.
I have always stuck my head way out there, but it seems there are some places who are not shy to cut it off.
I just wish we could cooperate better with google…
Amen to that! Google can infact play a crucial role in helping us getting this sorted. They are what all of this is all about!
I will see about making contact… knowing someone who knows someone…Cold calls have unpleasant effects, I know, I heard of a recent incident with that.
I am just going to continue concentrating on building my own portals. I am resigned to having lost this battle
the problem with that is that if 888 continues to support the bhs then you’re going to lose either by the SEs putting up a disclaimer page as Dom mentioned (and wouldn’t the gov love that) or else they’ll bleed you out slowly via the fact that you can’t build sites as fast as they can spit out their spam (by your own admission) therefore simple math dictates that its just a matter of time before you see yourself pushed out.
the latter may take longer but still just as effectively as if the SEs had stopped gambling searches. .. IMHO.
what I am quite surprised about is that this scraping bh SEO hasn’t spilled over into the mainstream because THAT is when google and other SEs will address the situation because as I’ve said before if you look at the big picture what’s going to be the end result is people who create content will stop because they’ll tire of seeing scrapers get paid for their hard work … or else they’ll stop because they had to get a “real job” to support their families.
There cannot be anything good come from scrapers and I think most any half-intelligent person could spot that fact quickly. That said: I think the SEs will address this situation with extreme prejiduce when it spills over.
a big mistake on their part since I would think a smart planner would follow the money and the trends which it creates … both good and bad. Address these cutting-edge trends … the bad ones anyway … before it infects the mass population … so to speak. just like if word spreads that scraping is profitable .. it will become more prevalent – its also true that if word spread that google was aggressively seeking out scraper sites and severely punishing them… (and perhaps any other site created by that domain’s owner if they wanna get some outstanding results in a hurry
) …. that nobody in the mainstream would consider scraping as a viable approach.Just my opinion, but I seriously doubt that Google is gonna put up a disclaimer page on casino search results. That doesn’t sound like that would be in the best interest of the biggest search engine on the internet. There are a lot of legitimate (and land based casinos) out there to be abandoning.
I tend to agree more with this:
I am just going to continue concentrating on building my own portals
I think building exceptional sites at this point is going to make all the difference. You can’t just stuff your site with any old content anymore. You need a site that once somone finds it they like it and they come back.
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.blackhawk wrote:Just my opinion, but I seriously doubt that Google is gonna put up a disclaimer page on casino search results. .The latest I hear is that they are hunting them by host.
Not sure that’s such a permanent solution, but then nothing is.
It will get rid of alot of the current junk if implemented.
I still am very angry when I see places like Casino Pays ruining it for all of us, and I am very seriously thinking of starting a blacklisting campaign against them.
blackhawk wrote:Just my opinion, but I seriously doubt that Google is gonna put up a disclaimer page on casino search results.Maybe not but if they are prepared to do this, then you never know.
Great find, Simmo!
I am all in support of that.
Google can do what google wants to do.
The public will appreciate warnings, whether they be of malware or bad search results.
Quote:I understand google is considering abandoning gambling resultsI had the two quotes combined in my mind, this was the thing I was mainly talking about, the abandoning search results part, I didnt see that as likely….
As for the new ugly that Simmo! points out:
I am not all for it. Whatever they deem as bad could get that warning. And I am anti-spyware just like everyone else in here (far as I know) … the reason I worry about it is because I can see this technology being applied all over the place – used to label sites and give an unfair interpretation of them BEFORE they are investigated. What if you get unfairly tagged?
What if they use it and when somone clicks a gambling site it pops up and says:
“The site you are using contains gambing material that may be illegal for U.S. citizens, although we can’t stop you from gambling, we thought you’d appreciate this big FEAR we just pumped into you.”
just thoughts, not really arguing….
looking beyond, beyond…I understand google is considering abandoning gambling results
My bad. They were considering stopping policing of gambling results. The amount of spam is higher than the number of legitimate sites at this time. Thankfully much of that spam is “bottomscraping” and not seen by most. What we do see is disturbing enough though.
The site you are using contains gambing material that may be illegal for U.S. citizens, although we can’t stop you from gambling, we thought you’d appreciate this big FEAR we just pumped into you.”
Well, lol, not exactly like that, but yes, I get your point.
Still, lots of things that are useful in life can also get abused. I would appreciate knowing when a site is about to jump me with some crap. Question is, how likely is abuse?
I am sorry but must be brief. The bowling and scrapes are taking over. Some are being lauched via isprime IP range 64.111.192.0 – 64.111.223.255 in particular try block 64.111.196.117.
Another range is 66.230.128.42 – 66.230.191.255 try block 66.230.182.42 {alltopmed.info} {vtope.alltopmed.info/online-craps.html} type in your domain.
If possible htaccess 403 forbid to view.
There a much more too many to list right now. Sorry about being vague have very little time on my hands right now. greek39
Greek,
I know you time is limited, could you point me in the direction on learning now to block these ranges ?
Im no noob but ive never had to do this before.
I appreciate your updates and assistance!
I reported this.
Kinda hard to do without google URL but I did anyway.
Last time I reported IP ranges they were gone in no time.
