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To be perfectly honest, I always tend to agree with Bob Marley when he said, “he who fight and run away, lives to fight another day”
So I also agree with leaving the state if your main income is basically coming from this industry or if you might for some reason “already be in the cross-hairs.”
It only makes sense to make the first moves by getting your data located somewhere else and if your state is really getting weird on you, consider leaving.
pacificsun1 wrote:I’m a Washington resident …read the newspapers daily however there has been no coverage of this in any of the local news. I’ts so vague (the law) yet the penalties are extreme …. I was on a local TV news show several months ago so I’m certain there are people who are aware I’m operating in Washington State.For those of you who are the outside looking in I can understand your disconnect from the problem… but to be honest with you … It scares the crap out of me. If other states follow suit you won’t be on the outside much longer and no one is safe…. this business could potentially be doomed.
I’m considering transferring my domains out of Washington State and curious if this might circumvent a potential problem.
Any ideas about doing this ?
Moving your domains out of the state won’t matter. You will still be committing a crime and now compounding it by your actions to circumvent the law, which my carry additional penalties.
I live in Vegas and don’t see any law like this happening. However, I am very upset at the Washington law. Seattle is like a 2nd home for me and I was considering going to law school at UW. I don’t mind not makling money from affiliate programs, but the whole “gambling information” issue bothers me.
Market Junction wrote:I live in Vegas and don’t see any law like this happening.The state of Nevada already has laws that expressly prohibit internet gambling. With that in mind you as a resident of that state promoting online gambling might be just as much be a target for aiding and abetting as those in Washington.
axl wrote:The state of Nevada already has laws that expressly prohibit internet gambling. With that in mind you as a resident of that state promoting online gambling might be just as much be a target for aiding and abetting as those in Washington.So no more meetings in Vegas then??
hahahaHi all,
This is my first post, but I have been reading the posts for over a year and I been a member for around six months, this is by far the best forum I have found for gaming affiliates.
I live in the UK, the government are also tightening up the laws here. They are not banning internet gambling like they are in the Washington, but they are changing the laws to make things more difficult for us. They try to make out it is because they are concerned about gambling addiction getting out of hand, if this were the case then why are they opening up 13 new land based casinos in the UK. We all know the real reasons, if they had a tax on it and money wasn’t leave the economy none of this would be happening.
If you live in Washington I think you really only have three options available and none of them are very good.
You could move state but you will probably have to move again within a couple of years. Washington State is first but I can imagine other states will follow very quickly. You could elope, I have heard antigua laws aren’t to bad when it comes to gambling (lol) and the weathers not bad either.
You could stand up and fight, you will need a good lawyer ready when they come knocking and even then chances are you still won’t win. If you lose you will end up in jail and if you win you will probably be in thousands you $ dept from all the legal costs.
The third option is cut your losses and stop affilating for internet gambling. I would probably take this option myself, I couldn’t be bothered to move and I wouldn’t be keen of the idea of becoming BUBA’s Bitch :Cry:
The phrase “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” comes to mind.
axl wrote:The state of Nevada already has laws that expressly prohibit internet gambling. With that in mind you as a resident of that state promoting online gambling might be just as much be a target for aiding and abetting as those in Washington.I don’t know where you get your information. We actually were, I believe, the only state in the union to pass a bill legalizing online gambling. The only reason Nevada does not have tons of online casinos right now is because of the federal ban on online gambling.
We are fine over here. We actually have wire betting (remote betting) in the state. Additionally, we have no ridiculous laws forbidding discussion on the topic of gambling. Imagine if we did. Everyone for all WPT tournaments held here would be rounded up for having a site (like a blog) that talks about gambling and links to an online poker destination like Party Poker, Poker Stars and so on. Now, that would be funny to see. Come on Doyle, you are under arrest.
Oh, we would have to hall in ESPN and FOX too, because they have daily gambling radio shows on their national networks here.
Additionally, major gambling companies here are trying to get online wagering legalized. BTW, the go ahead was given recently for WiFi gambling on casino properties. The gambling will be done on handheld devices. You can take them to the pool, bar, restaurant and so forth. Smaller casinos will probably try them first. It’s all part of the long term plan for a cashless type playing floor.
Guess who’s coming to dinner…
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Visited three times in the last three business days…Wonder what the want with me? :omg:
Market Junction wrote:I don’t know where you get your information.[gambling-law-us.com
Yes it is true that in 2001 the Nevada State Senate voted 17-4 to legalize online gaming with the intentions that it would provide access to land-based casinos currently operating in Nevada. However, according to the site above the law has never became active.
“The licensing provisions in the Nevada law have never become effective. The Nevada regulatory authorities have never become satisfied that U.S.-based internet real-money gaming was lawful. The U.S. Department of Justice wrote to Nevada authorities expressing its view that the Nevada bill would violate several federal anti-gambling statutes. “
The site list Nevada as a state which prohibits online gaming.
That doesn’t look good. I would say block their IP address but it would just piss them off.
Do you think it would help if other affiliates that live in Washington State to block all addresses in Washington state area? I know there are many ways around it and you would lose members/users but it may help for a while. Or am I just being stupid.
Also transfering the domain to a private domain would probably help.
We have the same problem in Denmark. Advertising is illigal. I ignored the warning letters from the danish gambling authority and one day the police knocked at my door… I closed my sites and I didn’t hear from them again.
That’s why my company and many other danes are based in Malta…it’s a nice little island..and here the police won’t come knocking at my door :rasta:
I think you should leave before it’s too late…
I live in Washington State just across the Columbia River from Oregon. The indians are the ones who have lobbied for this law to go from a misdemeanor to a felony.
The Cowlitz tribe are trying to build a casino just up the road in Washington State about 15 miles from Portland. It’s going to a monster casino … more slots than Bellagio. They have gotten backing from the Mohegan Tribe on the east coast for a partnership deal and are up to their eyeballs in cash. .
From what I understand they threw around some big bucks at the legislators in Olympia and got this done. They want it all…. Every freaking gambling dollar in Washington State. They’re serious about it too. They are also going to want this law enforced. They won’t sit back and watch it be ignored. The worst part is that they aren’t going to be targeting the players… they are going after the bad boys … I guess that’s me.
If you think I’m scared …you’re right. Don’t underestimate these Indians. They got money and they got juice.
Dominique wrote:There is a ruling by the FCC that the internet is not at all the same as the telephone line. (this was made in conjunction with the telephony issues sometime a year or even longer ago, and it is very clear in purposefully establishing a distinction between the two)There is also a federal law that makes advertising fall under the free speech amendment. Advertising is free speech. We haven’t abolished that yet!
Of course I am not a lawyer and am just entertaining you folks here.
Dom I love your research here, and am totally ignorant when it comes to these matters, i’m more like a parrot.. hunney i read this.. then he argues it, always
which is good, because it gets me to look at things from different points of view..When I mentioned advertising being free speach.. he brought up the Camel cigarettes ‘Joe Kool’ being banned because they said that they were advertising towards children.. and the fact that it is also not legal to advertise cigarettes on the television, etc.
I know there was a law suit involved, so maybe they settled? Any thoughts?
~LadyH
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