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Renee;200374 wrote:Is the point of a forum not to be helping anyone who comes across the same problem?
Else we would have the same question 100 times over..If it was the other way around, and a question about a program was posted, and I said “I’ve PMd you the answer” wouldn’t everyone want to know in case they come across the same thing?
Don’t get me wrong, I agree that Gary probably has given out some expensive information out for free, but I think if you’re going to publicly offer one affiliate to meet privately so they can get all this info for free, you have to be prepared that other people are not going to be happy with you.
I didnt ask to post some tips for everyone to get something for free, I just figured what is good for one is good for all.
Okay Renee,
You are right. Maybe I came across the wrong way in your mind, but make no mistake…I do not market my wares in ANY respect…Ever. If you are in this landscape you should ask anyone that knows me. That isn’t the way I roll.
Maybe we got off on the wrong foot. You are an affiliate Manager and I think we can all agree why you are here.
I, on the other hand am here to thwart the big boys and the ever present heavy hand that they place on your constituents. Yes I charge big bucks…to think I’m here to develop new business is a bit daft on your end. Look back through any post I have made.
I am here to help out.
That’s it Renee.
I’m not taking ANY new clients in this market.
Please let’s agree to disagree or meet and peel each others eyes out (I’ll introduce you to my West Yorkshire Bird (that’s UK for girlfriend) and we’ll have a pint.
Don’t think for a NY minute I’m here for anything else.
I mentioned I am a moderator om SEO Chat. Have a look and ask any of the 50k members about me. That’s not how I roll.
Garybtw – I offered that affiliate private advice because I didn’t expect them to publish their URL.
Edit: Sorry Renee, I just read that and it really sounded like I was an asshole. I probably am love (that’s UK!). I’m only here to help…please don’t thinkits any more than that. It really isn’t.)
OMG Please lock this thread. This is gone way past what I’m sure the intent was.
With all due respect Gary, I think your first post was a little harsh.
Ok Ok.
Apparently this bird is respected even though she’s calling ME out as pushing wares?
Pathetic but understood.
Gary
People, people!
Gary met me in London and was being friendly and asked if I wanted to talk about it in Amsterdam.
He has answered everyone’s questions here. I have actually been impressed with the promptness of his answers.
Renee, I am sure Gary didn’t mean to insult you, he just felt unappreciated.
Now lets get back to the SEO.
It’s a mindboggling thing to many, Gary. And no matter how much one thinks one knows, one always ends up at a point where one realizes one knows nothing. At least that’s the way it is for me.
And I still haven’t quite digested your answer as I am applying it to my site in my mind.
So, if I wanted to do it that way after the fact, (we now have subdirectories) would that still be a good idea or should we leave things be?
Subdomains are for geotargeting in WMC on Google. If you use then right they will increase your traffic 3-fold.
I wish I had the time to explain better but I did post a gameplan here last November when it was migrating here from the states.
I also have it somewhere on garythescubaguy.com
That was a very good read on SEO but you should give Renee a bit more respect than that esp if you are a mod.
Shame on me for NOT saying this sooner, it’s just that I allowed myself to hide behind my little rule I placed upon myself a long long time ago (way before you ever knew this place existed) that I rarely post here.
Gary, you truly are an ass for talking to renee like that.
Had you really knew a lot about this industry, you would know that Renee is a true gem in this industry, as well as one of the most respected members of the CAP Community.
Granted, you made a few good points, and I have read many of your posts and threads that you really do help a lot of folks here and at other forums….
I hope the mods here don’t spank me too much for speaking my mind and providing my opinion, and I really don’t want to see this thread turn into a flame war…but I respect Renee too damn much not to say something….whether I am personally flamed for it or not.
Rick
Universal4Okay whe I get 28 notifications of posts, I know somethings going on.
I’ve been skint quite enough. Even Admin has spanked me. I think this has gotten a bit out of hand so let me explain’
I responded to this remark;
Quote:Maybe you could post some tips for all affiliates to benefit from
Since it was posted to a very extensive post that was posted HERE on an affiliate forum, I assumed it was critical or in some way a smart-a^^ remark. ALL I do is post for the benefit of affiliates. Every post I make is for the benefits of this forum.
Then there’s the bird thing. I am from the US but I live in the UK and the term ‘bird’ is a reference made affectionately. When ‘mate’ and ‘cheeky’ are used I assume it is known that the term ‘bird’ is only just that; used affectionately.
Lastly, I have apologised and even put the thread back live for all to see.
But once again I will publicly apologise to Renee for taking her post the wrong way and for calling her a bird. I took the post the wrong way and I wasn’t politically correct in calling a her a bird.
Ok Gary,i maybe stupid,
but could you explain please,in case of targeting a specific language you say:
Quote:The reason that you do not want to use geographical targeting along with a language-based strategy is that if the end-user searches in the native language on Google.com, a site using content in that language will be stronger than the same site with geographical targeting in place.For searches in the native language on Google.com
Do i understand right that if i have the meta language tag on page (e.g. french) and in Googlewebmastertools country also set to France,it is worse than only the meta tag set?And how about searches in the native language on google.fr or on the “web” in google.fr in the case both meta language and country are set??
Had you really knew a lot about this industry, you would know that Renee is a true gem in this industry, as well as one of the most respected members of the CAP Community.
Gary, man you must have been living in a cage doing SEO for the last few years…..Renee is one of my favorite affiliate managers……she knows a lot from our industry and she offers outstanding support and feedback to all her affiliates….plz do not call her a bird unless we all have become birds by the flu……..get used to the fact that she is a pretty lady with brains and compassion in all respects.
Bumping my question
could you explain please,
in case of targeting a specific language you say:
Quote:The reason that you do not want to use geographical targeting along with a language-based strategy is that if the end-user searches in the native language on Google.com, a site using content in that language will be stronger than the same site with geographical targeting in place.For searches in the native language on Google.com
Do i understand right that if i have the meta language tag on page (e.g. french) and in Googlewebmastertools country also set to France,it is worse than only the meta tag set?And how about searches in the native language on google.fr or on the “web” in google.fr in the case both meta language and country are set??
Ok so I’ve read Gary’s comment about 30 times now, and no wonder you are confused.
It’s not very clear. I’m not sure if he works much with international clients?
It seems to me like he is saying that if a user, sitting in the united states searching on Google.com for a page in say for example French, using a native French search term that a site with French content will rank better than a site with “geographical targeting”
I will assume he is talking about the Set geographic target feature in Google Webmaster Tools.
There is a great video on this tool here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9r3PayqaZM
And the quick way to set this is
Go to Google Webmasters>Choose your site>Click on Tools>Click on Set Geographic TargetHere is the problem.
A) The fictional user in most cases does not exist. In the US even the French go to Google.fr, and when you use Google.fr a translated site is the best case.
You wouldn’t want to Geo_Target your site if you have the .fr, you would really only want to do this if you were using a config like this fr.elgoogrocks.com and you also had dk.elgoogrocks.com, and nl.elgoodrocks.com, or any other geo-specific locations under the elgoogrocks.com and you wanted those domaines to have a chance to rank.I hope this helps?
Oh and to answer your actual question.
“Do I understand right that if I have the meta language tag on page (e.g. French) and in Googlewebmastertools country also set to France, it is worse than only the meta tag set?”
No, not really. It would be better to have the .fr tld, have the site hosted in France, and all in native French than to just have the geographic target set in webmastertools.
“And how about searches in the native language on google.fr or on the “web” in google.fr in the case both meta language and country are set?? “
Well again it would be better to have the site on .fr, and in French, and be hosted in France. But don’t forget on-page is only 10%, what you need to be focused on if you really want to rank and convert in France for French is being a bigger part of the conversation.
Get active in building links organically related to your topic in France, on French sites. Use your content to target specifically latent French and topic related terms.
There have many great French poker players such as Jac Arama, David Benyamine, Jan Boubli, Patrick Bruel, Bruno Fitoussi, Bertrand Grospellier, Tuan Le, Pascal “Triple P” Perrault, Vanessa Ashley Rousso, as well as Manuel Bevand.
Talk about them, where they play, famous moments, and awesome hands, see if you can get an interview.
At the end of the day living it, being part of the experience, taking part in the bigger conversation, contributing on a regular basis, that is the real secret behind SEO, it’s the meat of it all not the secret sauce that will help you rank well, and convert.
Hehe… an awesome answer Brains,
Thanks a lot for clarifying!
Wow that was a big argument earlier in this thread, a case of crossed wires I think although Gary does not suffer fools lightly, as I’ve experienced before :tongue:. Irrespective his advice is always very valuable although a bit confusing some times.
Reading through his original post I’m still a bit confused what to do. My site hgh-rollercasinos.com is split into 8 languages using subfolders. It would appear from his article that subfolders is actually the best option for me and all I need to do is get links from sites in the same language and also geotarget with Google but I’ve heard form other people, liek for example an colleague who he recommended me too :hattip:, that I should be using subdomains.
BTW How the heck do yo host a subdomain in a different country form your main domain, I thought the whole point with subdomains was that they were essentially a part of the main domain and hosted in the same place.
Once i get back from Amsterdam and find some free time I will put together a basic specification on Information Architecture for SEO.
Essentially how to structure your site for both user and Search Engine benefit.
I don’t directly agree nor disagree with Gary’s advice but I will say if you decide to split your site into country targetted areas it can be easier to manage once it is in a subdomain structure.
Heimdall’s question of:
Quote:BTW How the heck do yo host a subdomain in a different country form your main domain, I thought the whole point with subdomains was that they were essentially a part of the main domain and hosted in the same place.Without getting ultra technical, each subdomain can have a seperate A name record set within the DNS – When this is done you then have the ability to host it in different places, maybe assigning a host in the location you are targetting for that subdomain.
EG:
- http://www.examplesite.dom = hosted as normal
- fr.examplesite.dom = hosted in France
- de.examplesite.dom = hosted in Germany
- es.examplesite.dom = hosted in Spain
etc etc.
If anyone wants to, then feel free to come and buy a cup of tea in Amsterdam and I am sure we can have a chat while drinking it!
