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I just saw this site xxxxhttp://www.instantbankroll.com
Didn’t think a whole lot of it (although I can’t imagine giving away $75 per real money account is profitable) until I saw this on the page where you sign up.
If you have a PLAY money account, you still qualify, but you must create a NEW PLAYER account.
So In other words, if I signed up player X 3 years ago and he’s been playing for fun under me, now he sees that site and signs up, I lose him? What kind of dog eat dog world is this? Am I supposed to offer cash out of my pocket to get him to convert?????
how does this guy make money…its kinda ridiculous…there really is no way to compete with his site…
I don’t think so Ellen.
We ran a promo about two months ago and we also posted a statement like that. Essentially it was there to tell the players that signed up through our site a few months ago that they still qualify. But I understood it as only those fun players that actually signed through our site.
Would like to hear the response from PP though…
EllenIng wrote:So In other words, if I signed up player X 3 years ago and he’s been playing for fun under me, now he sees that site and signs up, I lose him? What kind of dog eat dog world is this? Am I supposed to offer cash out of my pocket to get him to convert?????Ellen, that is why I am screaming blooddy murder about rakeback.
That is exactly what happens with rake back.
If the program allows affiliates to pay for incentives, that is the type player movement you can expect.
Hi Ellen,
Yep. I can steal your fun players by having them sign up under a new email address.
But isn’t that the case with many places?
Cryptologic allows a person to create a new e-cash account every time they sign up for a casino. I have signed up at Intercasino (seriously, because I lose the previous info and don’t want to wait for support), at least 6 times , probably more over the years.
I’m quite certain that the old affiliate does not get credit for the new sign up.
El, I think the question you should ask yourself is, What is the odds of you being slammed by bonus abusers. I am sure they are also not the people that will earn you any income either. So offering money to your guest account players seems a little bit scary if you compare it to the risk you take of being abused. This kind of offer probable don’t attract quality players either and they are people you would want to get.
This also makes me think of the rakeback sceme. It is hurting the industry big time!
Did anyone try to contact them on their Toll Free line? Is this for real?
Can someone contact a Party Poker rep to please reply to this?
Dom, I do see your point.
bb1webs, I am 100% sure you can not sign up more than one account at MANY rooms. I know Paradise, Poker Stars and Ultimate Bet don’t allow it. I just had UB and PS shut down a guys multiple accounts, long story but I proved they were his and they shut them down.
So I’m not sure how some of these rooms allow this.
I am not questioning your knowledge, but you can open multiple accounts at any poker room I can think of. It takes some effort and costs a little money, but it can be done. I have never done it and never will because I feel that it is unethical, but I know how to do it. Please don’t ask, as I’m not going to post it.
I’m just saying, don’t fool yourself into thinking that it can’t be done.
Pokermonger is right.
Casinos have tried for years to get rid of duplicate accounts – it has just resulted in more sophisticated methods of doing this.
I know for a fact that there are groups of players roaming casinos and collecting bonuses with multiple accounts and they are not getting caught.
Of course I am not going to publicize how it’s done either, but believe me that the casinos are thoroughly fooled.
I do know that there are also a lot of poker bonus abusers out there. I am told it’s much easier to do with poker.
Thanks Ellen.
I think in view of Party Poker putting a stop to rake back they are also working the affiliate system over in some ways. I am not sure how it will end up, but maybe Satya is not ready to comment. Elsewhere in the Iglobal forum he said that soon there will be an announcement….
That said, the remark about the new account having to be created is scary…
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The affiliate/company running instantbankroll dot com is the same affiliate that I’ve been harping about for a bit now concerning rakeback.
This affiliate has an exclusive deal/agreement with Party Poker. They’ve been open about that fact. They sign players up for a rakeback program using a single bonus code, and each month Party provides this affiliate with individual player stats so they can reimburse players. Sure sounds like Party supporting rakeback to me.
It really is amazing to me that Party continues to support this affiliate by providing them with these stats each month, while they’re in the middle of “cracking down on affiliates that offer rakeback”. Seems like it would be a very simple problem to solve. Just stop sending this affiliate individual player stats every month. Rakeback at Party would go away entirely, and all of us affiliates would be happy because there is now a level playing field.
Until they rectify this situation, we as Party Poker affiliates are at a distinct and undeniable disadvantage.
I’m all about pay for performance, and poker rooms offering exclusive deals and offers to affiliates that perform. I’m all for it, right up to the point that those affiliates kick back the profits to their players, making it impossible for me to compete with them.
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Can I beat a dead horse, or what?
Sorry.
I think we all need to be patient and wait about a month and let the smoke clearn before we start asking questions. Party is clearly making changes one step at a time so we don’t know what the rest of their plan is. Hopefully in about a month or so they will make a statement giving their new rules.
I am not questioning your knowledge, but you can open multiple accounts at any poker room I can think of. It takes some effort and costs a little money, but it can be done. I have never done it and never will because I feel that it is unethical, but I know how to do it. Please don’t ask, as I’m not going to post it.
I’m just saying, don’t fool yourself into thinking that it can’t be done.
I do know it’s “possible” to open multiple accounts at most rooms, but I also know that most rooms don’t allow it and if they are made aware of it they will close those multiple accounts.
I also know that most only *allow* one account per household, in fact Party Poker closed my account when I first moved to Australia almost 3 years ago, they saw that Dean and I both had accounts even though he never played for real money and we never logged on together, so now I’m stuck playing under his account. I guess with this type of scheme they change the rules a bit, that’s scary.
If they would all stick to the “not allowing multiple accounts” then none of this would be a problem. I don’t think the rake back would be an issue either.
This is ridiculous. If Party Poker doesn’t have a method of tracking the player back to the original affiliate, they SHOULD start on that immediately (e.g. using the player’s name, email address, etc.). I’ve signed up many fun (and real) players over the years, and don’t need other affiliates taking credit for my traffic. And they shouldn’t make it EASIER for these leeches to take our players, by making stat tracking easier.
Makes me want to start my own casino with my domain portfolio and its traffic, so that no one else can screw me over.
Party Poker is planning to go public soon. How will it look to investors when they allow such underhanded tactics by their partners?
PartyPoker.com does not endorse the practice of Rake Back. If you come across any specific cases, please let us know so that we can take appropriate action.
We have systems in place aimed at preventing players from opening more than one real money account with PartyPoker.com. These systems are continually updated based on the kind of abuses we encounter.
Ellen, some affiliates incentive their player’s accounts to get them started. PartyPoker.com has checks and balances to ensure that the players referred in this way are genuine players. We do not prevent affiliates from funding their player’s account or advertising this to their traffic if they feel they can get more genuine players.
We however do not encourage affiliates advertising on play money tables to actively poach any other affiliate’s traffic. Please let us know any such instances and we will be quick to take appropriate action.
Thanks,
SatyaSo my hard earned traffic that acquired thousands of play money players to Party Poker, doesn’t mean squat to me, or you for that matter, as you allow any affiliate at any time to take them out from under me?
Even though we earn a nice monthly figure with you all, I really will have to reconsider how much traffic we send to PP.
