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Playing the Devil’s Advocate here.
@Cristina-Fortune 250522 wrote:
Last year Grattag was contacted directly regarding an internal audit that the Fortune Affiliates team carried out on his account. It was found and communicated that all commissions owing to him with regards to French players had been paid.
With all due respect FA have been accused of unethical practices conducted on this affiliate’s account. Stating “an internal audit that the Fortune Affiliates team carried out on his account” which the audit has been conducted by the entity this affiliate claims to have been cheated by effectively hold no weight at all. Surely you understand that!
@Cristina-Fortune 250522 wrote:
We did suggest at the time that if he was still concerned about payment for revenue generated by his players that he contact eCOGRA for a full audit; this offer still stands.
In so far as a 3’rd party audit and the recommendation eCOGRA conducts such an audit, fact is eCOGRA holds a direct conflict of interest with both FL/FA and for that matter MGS.
This would never be a bonafide 3’rd party audit due to the conflicts of interests held by eCOGRA.
Further more, there is the matter of the Live Chat transcript which clearly show a FL CSR acknowledging that a French player can still wager real money at FL online casinos, even though MGS stated they pulled out of France and stopped accepting bets from French players some time in 2010.
@grattag 248894 wrote:
Look this account:
http://www.casinosguide.net/00000000000-fortune-affiliates/fortune-affiliates-proof-1-royal-vegas.htmtranslation by google:
COPY CHAT:
You are now chatting with Cindy
Cindy: Welcome to the support center. You talk to Cindy. What can I do for you?Me: Hello Cindy
Me: Here, I’d like deposited money to play on your casino because I am a former French player.
Me: but I have heard that you accept more French players?
Cindy: Your account number please?
Me: YES
Me: rvr33333333333
Cindy: For reasons of safety, can you give me your full name, date of birth and email address?
Me: of course: XXX XXXXXXXX 21/00/0000
Me: email [email protected]
Cindy: From what I’ve seen, your account is open at our casino, so you can play without problem. Here is the address: Cindy: http://www.royalvegas.eu/download.casino?ul=fr
Me: this is what I can be sure that you pay me if I win?
Me: You still have a lot of French players who play at home because I still have a few doubts ….
Cindy: You will be paid if you win do not worry.
Cindy: What method for withdrawals want to use?
Me: Neteller
Me: I can assure you that there is still French players who play and setting them well?
Me: I have confidence in you before …. but there are so many rumors then I want you to reassure me.
Cindy: We have a lot of French players. And we pay them as it should.
Me: ok, I trusted you then
Me: thank you, and good night Cindy, and very soon for a deposit.
Me: ahhh another small question
Cindy: A very, very soon but then
Cindy: And good luck
Me: Cindy?
Cindy: Yes, I’m listening
Me: just to know: I have accounts on Platinum Play – 7 Sultans – Vegas Palms your group. I can play as well?
Cindy: Let me see, I have checked.
Me: thank you Cindy, I think I am registered under @
Cindy: They are all active
Me: cool
Me: petitre another question: there are rumors started by administrators French forums and a guide to important games in France. You are blacklisted for them. It seems that you do not pay more money for a long time. So as a player, I asked a lot of questions …
Me: Do you have problems with the directors? you no longer pay membership? oupsss, indiscreet but I am concerned about not being paid as if I win …
Me: more questions after promised.
Me: Cindy?
Cindy: This is information related to business, I can not answer you.
Me: ok, ok.
Me: as long as you pay me if I win I is the principal! thank you for everything.
Me: You would be possible to send me an email with my account number of your other casinos, because long ago I did not play and I do not think most have my account number?
Cindy: One moment
Me: Sorry to bother you …. !
Cindy: vprXXXXXXXXXXX: Vegas Palms
Cindy: PPRXXXXXXXXXX: Platinum Play
Me: And 7 sultan?
Me: it’s okay, I already do with my accounts in these casinos. Thank you for your patience Cindy!
Cindy: I beg you
Me: good evening@grattag 249309 wrote:
TRADUCT BY GOOGLE
Hi,Here is another proof. One of our players based in France is connected to the Platinum Play casino Friday, January 18. He made a deposit of 100 €uros.
Yet Fortune Affiliates has confirmed that he had closed all the accounts of French players. This is wrong.
Unless this is Dr screen capture, it clearly shows the French version of Platinum Play and a player being permitted to deposit and wager in real money.
As an affiliate we place 100% trust in the programs we partner with. We have no other option BUT to take each and every program on their word that they are not up to any funny business.However when issues like these arise, affiliates are going to ask questions and they’re going to expect the affiliate program to address these issues respectfully. While I understand it can take a little while to acquire the facts; given the amount of data presented in this thread, when this information has been verified then no stone should be left unturned.
I’ve found through similar issues based on past doubts held toward affiliate programs, it’s the unturned rocks and the lack of evidence presented which fan further fires, when doubt could be easily avoided by addressing all issues raised in an open handed dialogue.
Providing such a short and extremely late address (OP claims 1’st raised on 01-04-2013) but FA does not respond till the 25/03/2013 IMHO hasn’t done you any favours. Just saying
While I am a long standing FA affiliate and have always believed FA are an ethically driven affiliate program, I also used to trust Wagershare implicitly too. Now that program is black-listed on numerous affiliate forums as are other programs I’d never think in a million years would go bad.
Hence most affiliates are already hyper paranoid. Maybe something you like to consider when and if another issue presents itself on an affiliate forum again.
Anymore updates on this?
Since Fortune Affiliates posted their response you’ve gone very quiet grattag.A few things have been bugging me and I can’t shake them. So I’m going to ask. It would be nice to receive a reply
I can go to xxxhttp://fr.platinumplaycasino.com/ and everything is in French, I can also download the casino. However if I try to access the site using a VPN in France (62.233.27.47), I’m blocked and I receive this veiled warning message:
Accès refusé
Malheureusement, vous avez tenté d’entrer sur ce site à partir d’un pays qui ne vous y autorise pas. Si vous pensez que ce message est une erreur, n’hésitez pas à contacter notre service client à l’adresse suivante
I suppose we can argue that French players located in France were not getting this warning message and FL have added since grattag commenced this public thread. But given there was not screen shot posted which proved an IP from France could access xxxhttp://fr.platinumplaycasino.com/, then we don’t have any backed evidence either way.The one thing that’s got me here, is apart from screen caps and a chat log (which could be faked – not saying they are), we have no other proof which tells us that people were playing from French soil.
EG- Some people in Canada still speak French and I’m sure there are other ex-pats living around the world who may also play the French versions of casino software but who are not in France.
You (grattag) claimed you visit these players in France but on your FA registration it say’s your located in Spain. IDK where in Spain but lets say Madrid.
Madrid to France, that’s a minimum 10 hour journey by car and I guess a 1 hour flight. From my understanding of what you wrote here, you seemed to make this trip on a regular basis to visit your players. To me that seems odd. Just saying.
Over and above this, there was never any mention of IP addresses.
Reiterating I’m neither for nor against anyone here but there are a few loose BIG strings which haven’t been aired and I think for all parties concerned, given this has been posted to a public forum, then it needs to be addressed and not swept under the carpet.
Edit: I’ll also add the last time you were on CAP was 02-28-2013 08:54 AM.
You know the fight I have with Casino Rewards and Rewards Affiliates, well I haven’t let that go one bit. But as soon as Christina from Fortune Affiliates posted that statement, you’ve gone silent in this thread, even though you were logged in on the 02-28-2013 08:54 AM.If a program scammed me for two (2) years I certainly wouldn’t let it rest. Just saying
If he took legal action he might be unable to comment due to legal proceedings. However, I am also curious what is going on.
@Halelovas 250705 wrote:
If he took legal action he might be unable to comment due to legal proceedings. However, I am also curious what is going on.
Agreed but a few people stuck their neck out for him so a simple update IMO wouldn’t contravene anything. Besides, I’m sure it’s not the 1’st time any of us have played into a story which we’ve later realised all the facts haven’t been laid out. Just saying!
Hello everyone!
Sorry, I was sick, so I could not reply to your messages. Now it’s ok! Fortunately, it was not too bad
So I start my research about the scam Fortune Affiliates.
Ouppsss. I’ll get a message in the “search for backlinks.” Those who are interested can contact me by MP.
Good day to all
Phil
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@ CristinaFirst, I do not say hello, I do not shake hands with people who practice fraud against affiliates. Of all the Microgaming casinos, you represent the biggest scam ever seen in affiliation “casino”. I’m in membership since 1995, so I know where of I speak. Anyway, to answer your message:
@Cristina-Fortune 250522 wrote:
Fortune Affiliates wants it to be known that we have paid all commissions owing on all French players to all associated affiliate accounts.
This is false. In May 2010, when the law was passed in France, you have kept the French players who have played at least until February 2013. So you stolen the French affiliate for at least 2 years. I know that since I’ve posted your scam on this forum (and I thank CAP) you have closed some French accounts, but I had to post this scam so that you can decide …
@Cristina-Fortune 250522 wrote:
It was found and communicated that all commissions owing to him with regards to French players had been paid.
Yes, it is true, never any problems with you until this law. But after this law? What have you done for the players? I have proof that the French players have played on your casino, you know as well as me. So you stolen the French affiliate commissions is simple. As usual, you lie. I was sick, but do not worry, I’ll take care of you.
@Cristina-Fortune 250522 wrote:
We did suggest at the time that if he was still concerned about payment for revenue generated by his players that he contact eCOGRA for a full audit; this offer still stands.
Lol, you make me laugh with eCOGRA …. Eating out with them, so they are not credible. This is a very questionable organization …
@Cristina-Fortune 250522 wrote:
Fortune Affiliates is a long-standing affiliate programme that bases all its partnerships on trust and integrity and for this reason completely deny the allegations made in this post.
Lol again, Fortune Affiliates is the worst scam affiliate casinos. I say this sentence. If you are offended by my post, do me a trial court, we will laugh … I do not represent a “small” French affiliate, but one of the first three. Come on give me a trial in court, I expect, you will have surprises.
Frankly, affiliates, believe me, stop with Fortune affiliates. They are raptors as I’ve ever seen in the field of membership.
Cristina, you sleep well at night??
“Basta” your lies. Pay what you owe me because I never let go of this case, believe me.
Phil
And to be honest, this is why I say Fortunes Affiliates are raptors
Between 2004 and late 2009, for 5 years, I’ve been on all the keywords on Google first and second page.
All groups (Playtech, Microgaming poker and bets) even Brightshare (!), Had to pay to get the best views of my sites. Never a problem, no, operators pay their bills in advance, even six months in advance to get the best views.
But Fortune affiliates did not like my procedure, so their casinos were still in deep pages, not on the best pages. This is why the commissions were very small … 1500 euros commission is ridiculous.
So one day, I received a message from the manager of Fortune Affiliates (Audrey). I’ve told him that to have the best locations, you had to pay 33,000 euros for three months and payable in advance.
There have a month to decide while the other operators decide on up to 3 days! Operators fought the best views even auctioned by email … All operators have renewed their contract with me for 5 years, unless one only: fortune affiliates! So raptors yes, no doubt or so, idiots managers…
@Halelovas 250532 wrote:
If Fortune Lounge now claims that grattag’s claims are untruthful, they could have done so almost three months ago already, by the time this topic was posted. FL are sponsors of this forum and other topics were addressed by them during this period. This silence just raised my suspicions and I do not understand why this topic is not properly being addressed by them.
Halelovas thank you for your understanding. Thank you very much.
phil
@AussieDave 250704 wrote:
Anymore updates on this?
Since Fortune Affiliates posted their response you’ve gone very quiet grattag.Hi AussieDave
I was sick AussieDave. Sorry, but I could not respond to my messages. I’m not a man who avoids the problems I faced them. So sorry if I was too quiet
@AussieDave 250704 wrote:I suppose we can argue that French players located in France were not getting this warning message and FL have added since grattag commenced this public thread.
It is obvious from this thread, FA closed some accounts of French players from March to April 2013. But from May 2010 to March 2013, the French affiliate have been stolen for almost 3 years … Why FA has closed the accounts of players in March 2013 FR?? Hum…
3 years = 36 months x 1000 euros (average for me) multiplied by XXX affiliates, the scam amounted to much ??? That’s a lot of euros. Can you answer this question Cristina ?@AussieDave 250704 wrote:
EG- Some people in Canada still speak French and I’m sure there are other ex-pats living around the world who may also play the French versions of casino software but who are not in France.
You think I enjoy wasting my time in forums? I do not have nothing else to do, I work and this case is a waste of time for me. When I have to reply to a message, I have to pass by Google, in short, I lose time. In short, I die in seconds if I did not tell the truth. I swear to God this story with Fortune Affiliates is true and I have proof in my hand. You want the email? But you’ll have the translated.
@AussieDave 250704 wrote:
You (grattag) claimed you visit these players in France but on your FA registration it say’s your located in Spain. IDK where in Spain but lets say Madrid. Madrid to France, that’s a minimum 10 hour journey by car and I guess a 1 hour flight. From my understanding of what you wrote here, you seemed to make this trip on a regular basis to visit your players. To me that seems odd.
No luck AussieDave! Yes my ip is Madrid, but I live 15 km from the French border at La Jonquera Spain. Viewing Google Maps
I do not live in Madrid, lol!I’m going to France even every 2 days to buy what I need and my children. My friends, my children all live this region. And I’ll even tell you more: the French casinos players are on the French riviera coast. With Paris and the French Riviera coast, this is 80% of the casino market in France. Normal, that is where there is more than rich people.
Come, I invite you, I’ll pay you travel and you will see that I am not lying. What would you like more proof?
If you want, I’ll wait This will remove your suspicions about this …@AussieDave 250704 wrote:
Edit: I’ll also add the last time you were on CAP was 02-28-2013 08:54 AM.
You know the fight I have with Casino Rewards and Rewards Affiliates, well I haven’t let that go one bit. But as soon as Christina from Fortune Affiliates posted that statement, you’ve gone silent in this thread, even though you were logged in on the 02-28-2013 08:54 AM. If a program scammed me for two (2) years I certainly wouldn’t let it rest. Just saying
And yes true, but you can predict the future you? If you spill a car tomorrow, you respond to your messages? Me neither, it’s fate. And if I wanted to scroll through me, I will not post today, do not you think ? We must stay together, affiliated to combat scams affiliate programs.
Now that I’m able to answer that Cristina asks me the answers, we’ll laugh … But how long it will take 3 months? And if my story scam was not true, I have already removed the links from my site on this thread, right?
AussieDave good day everyone! I got behind in my work today. Just to respond to the messages of this thread, well 2:30. You will understand that it is not easy for me I hope!
Phil
Thank you for your update, grattag.
How do you intend to further pursue this issue, if you are owed rightful commissions by them?
@Halelovas 251964 wrote:
Thank you for your update, grattag.
How do you intend to further pursue this issue, if you are owed rightful commissions by them?
Hello everyone!
What I see is that FA is unable to respond and this is very negative for this group of casinos. Do not advertise for this group. There are other casino groups very seriously.
To answer your question, how do I do? CAP forum think arrive at a solution. Well we’ll see and I’ll tell you after this big problem. You can contact me at this address if you have questions: webmaster AT casinosguide.net
In the meantime, I repeat, do not advertise casinos FA. I have proven that they are ripping off affiliates in FA to prove otherwise in finding a solution.
phil
I was under the impression the Microgaming software prevents a player from France placing real bets. I’m guessing this would include both IP and past added address details, etc etc.
Playing the Devils Advocate here.
The IP can be changed to use one outside France. The address would also have to changed to one in an accepted MGS region. The “new address” would have to match the locale of the VPN (IP) used.
I’m not even sure that method would work because knowing how paranoid the Fortune Lounge security team are, they most certainly would want updated proof of ID which matched the new address.
It’s the internet and people could forge documents but that’s a criminal activity. I don’t think anyone would risk it, just so they could play at a MGS casino.
Which brings us to a more troubling concern.
That is, Microgaming casino software can be manipulated by the operator. This of course opens Pandora’s Box because we’ve been brow beaten into thinking the operator can’t tweak the casino software.
If they can override Countries banned by Microgaming, what other claimed (set in stone) settings, can an MGS casino operator override?
As both a player and affiliate, who has and continues to promote Microgaming casinos, matters like this should not go under-ground. They should be keep in the public eye. Anything which can or could affect affiliates earnings or players welfare, needs to be kept in the open – in a public forum!
Hello!
I hope you had a great holiday!
Well, for this scam, no new FA and CAP.
See you at the show in Barcelona
I’m living in Barcelona with a surprise FA, a nice surprise.
If I were the people who will work at the show in Barcelona, I will ask their boss a bonus …PS: I removed the video. Everyone is aware now
Good day to you all!
