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I see a strange phenomenon at rewards affiliates this month :
month December
1640+ clicks
330 downloads
46 regs
13 new players
1 new depositor ??
I have sent traffic from various sites. All other microgaming programs have more new depositors this month.Looks like they have hammered my account for revealing the truth about Rewards Affiliates Stealing Players with cross promotion ; exploiting unethical business tactics
I guess that is why big affiliates just keep their mouth shut.Just found this post on AGD really tells a lot about thse guys.
Oh They want affiliates… They just want them uninformed and ignorant about how this business really works.
It is not news that the guys running Rewards Affiliates are happy to screw affiliates at every chance they get. They have happily been screwing affiliates for years and years, imo… Way before Renee stared working for them.
Actually, if memory serves, Renee was hired to help smooth over and cool off affiliates after the Rewards Management changed the way they figured commissions, so they could pocket more and give the affiliates less. That was when I dropped them, because the change they made way back then to the commission structure would only be made by crooks, imo.
I recall when they did that, and it worked out much to my advantage, since I have mostly slot players. People who have for instance mostly Blackjack players – it wasn’t to their advantage.
What Rewards did back then is switch to the same accounting methods that brick and mortar casinos use. Whether the player wins or loses is irrelevant, so whatever you see is what you get, there are no winnings to subtract. The accounting only counts how much is played… They also didn’t make this change forced, you had the option to stay on the old method.
That said, yes, they do send out mails with bonuses to players, and on the bottom of the mail they have CLICKABLE links to all their other casinos.
IMO that is not fair, they are openly luring players away from existing affiliate accounts. That is the beef I have with them.
In some 10 years or more of promoting them, I have never found any accounting irregularities though, and they convert well. So personally I decided to keep them on, albeit with lower exposure.
I wish they would make these images in their bonus letters NOT clickable. If they did that, I would recommend them without hesitation. As is, I don’t.
@Dominique 248599 wrote:
In some 10 years or more of promoting them, I have never found any accounting irregularities though, and they convert well.
Never any irregularities? Never?
@arkyt 248604 wrote:
Never any irregularities? Never?
Well, I found none. I ran a couple of tests over the years and they came out clean.
Ahhh ok, I guess I have a bad memory.
Thanks Dom for sharing, do you think it is possibly RA are having a grudge against me – and consequently strip my earnings/players for exposing RA?
BTW : those emails are sent almost every week, with 30+ casinos it is easy for a player to make a switch and this is what Rewards is hoping for, as the chance that player has not yet been referred – to this “new” (other) brand – is very high. Suddenly RA does not have to pay commissions for this player to you the affiliate = 100% profit for them, source : free affiliate traffic.
Well, anything is possible, lol.
But they should have a grudge against me because I yelled loudly on several forums about their stupid emails to players.
I haven’t seen anything to indicate they had a grudge against me.
I don’t know if they have one against you – I am just returning after two years of not visiting forums… or, hardly ever visiting them is probably more correct. So I am not up to date and only talking about personal experience here.
@arkyt 248607 wrote:
Ahhh ok, I guess I have a bad memory.
I don’t recall ever showing you my tests, so your memory must be faulty if you remember something different.
Or maybe mine is faulty and I did show you my tests, but I don’t think so.
Dom it is just very odd when analyzing current december stats that new depositing players are simply not showing (except for 1) which is the lowest number since the very month I started promoting them.
Also other good players do not show up that often anymore or just do not play that hard.
@Dominique 248614 wrote:
I don’t recall ever showing you my tests, so your memory must be faulty if you remember something different.
Well actually you were one of several who ran test for me years ago. Maybe you don’t recall, but I do – your transactions did NOT fully track properly. I’m certain my memory isn’t that bad, but in fact is spot on, but I’m not here to argue about what happened years ago.
@arkyt 248627 wrote:
Well actually you were one of several who ran test for me years ago. Maybe you don’t recall, but I do – your transactions did NOT fully track properly. I’m certain my memory isn’t that bad, but in fact is spot on, but I’m not here to argue about what happened years ago.
Oddly, I don’t remember ever running a test for anyone…just myself. I wasn’t involved in the CAP tests either… but, whatever, years ago is a lot of water under the bridge.
EDIT – not worth my troubles!
@Dominique 248599 wrote:
What Rewards did back then is switch to the same accounting methods that brick and mortar casinos use.
But they’re not a bricks and mortar casino, far from it! Not withstanding they have far less overheads than the aforementioned too. The implementation of this was the first sign they are greedy gits.
@Dominique 248599 wrote:
That said, yes, they do send out mails with bonuses to players, and on the bottom of the mail they have CLICKABLE links to all their other casinos.
IMO that is not fair, they are openly luring players away from existing affiliate accounts. That is the beef I have with them.
And that’s my beef too.
Within a matter of hours of signing up a test player Casino Rewards contacted them with no less than 8 emails all pointing to their sites which had far better offers than Captain Cooks, the casino I referred this play to. Worse, they were all straight links.
Hence literally 1000’s up 1000’s of my tagged players have been hoodwinked by this method. On top of all that, players I’ve signed up at the MGS casinos absorbed by Casino Rewards Group, which again amounts to 1000’s have also been hit with this dodgy cross marketing.
While I agree Rewards Affiliate do pay me for any players who play at the casino I referred them to. It’s little consolation being paid maybe $230 every 6 months when I know they’ve scammed me out of my rightful income in relation to all the players I’ve sent this affiliate program over the years. And reiterating all the player tagged to me from casinos bought out by Casino Rewards Group.
And as far as Renee, well she knew exactly what was going on with this unethical cross marketing but every time I questioned her about player longivity or numbers regarding depositing players, she’d keep repeating, “don’t worry keep sending us players, remember their signed up to you.”
What Renee failed to mention was they (Casino Rewards) were contacting these referred player within hours of them joining and cross promoting their other casinos with straight links to my players.
She’s a scam artist and crook like her employer Casino Rewards Group!
Food for though
While you maybe receiving commission from Rewards Affiliates how many of your tagged players have been stolen from you by their unethical cross marketing? How much money have you lost as a result?My conservative figure stood at over $250,000 last year. Now, well it would far exceed that.
How do you think they managed to purchase all these failed MGS casinos? By cheating affiliates out of their rightful commissions, that’s how!
Not only does this company steal players, but from players as well. Look: Casino Rewards – Retroactive terms & wagering requirements
@Halelovas 251635 wrote:
Not only does this company steal players, but from players as well. Look: Casino Rewards – Retroactive terms & wagering requirements
If they’ll steal from affiliates, then they’ll rob and lie to their players too.
Albeit the guy is an advantage player. However that’s a moot point.
If a casino accepts a bet but leaves itself wide-open then don’t blame the player and don’t retroactively apply new T&C clauses. Instead, pay the player(s) winnings and then either ban the player(s) or change the Terms and Conditions to guard your #ss from advantage play.
That’s what reputable casinos do.
However Casino Rewards is as dodgy as they come and the above threads prove they’ll do anything and say anything to justify their crooked actions. Renee even goes as far as publicly discrediting and character assignating the OP, a Casino Rewards player, who incidentally is owed money.
Throwing around discrediting BS is Renee’s Modus Operandi when rewards affiliates or casino rewards owe people money. It’s certainly the treatment I received. Obviously Renee holds little respect for the truth.
Is this how a reputable MGS casino group, much less a casino with an eCOGRA Seal should conduct itself? Hell No. Even more evidence why eCOGRA and their Safe & Fair Seals are a joke and completely worthless!
Edit:
Found this link floating around in the Rewards Affiliates CAP Archive:
http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.com/bb/31755-why-do-you-keep-doing-that.htmlQuick synopsis, in 2008 a CAP member discovered tags were not being accredited to the referring affiliate when a player clicked on links at XYZ casino. Finally Renee pipes in and blows it off saying:
@Renee 188021 wrote:
These are done by our SEO team and when brought up by me in the past at meetings, they did some analysis and found that there is less than 0.5% CTR on those links. That’s about 50 clicks per 10,000 visits.
The links at the bottom of the pages are there for branding purposes. This is why the links have been pushed to the bottom parts of the page.
We are constantly tweaking the sites to get the players to click where we want them to click on the page in order to improve conversions overall, ie on the download now and play now buttons (which in turn helps you and us). We don’t have the links there to try to deter your players to another casino, after all the player is tagged to the last referring affiliate, so there’s really no point sending the player to another site because we have no guarantee that the player hasn’t already visited that site through another affiliate id.
Ironically, some three (3) years later its discovered Casino Rewards had every intention to, try and deter affiliate referred players to another casino, in fact any casinos where Casino Rewards can steal the player from the referring affiliate.
Further concrete proof Renee will state anything to mislead and scam Rewards Affiliates Partners.
