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aloha… hey does it happen to you people… to lose a player and the $ from that player… from a referback casino… he/she just dissapears from the stats… could be like a charback or something…
was just wondering if it happens to anyone else… happened to me several times… including a big one last night…
cheers
Well I have over 500 players but none are active.. I wonder if they ‘dissapeared’ too?
I “lost” three players with them last month. I am doing screen captures every other day now and the next time it happens I am going to nail Kamiel for this.
Oddly enough last night (Friday) I took a major drop in revenue. Either I had a big winner or the Referback crew went over budget partying in Amsterdam and are taking it back from the affiliates.
Referback is NOT the same program they were 18 months ago.
Since June revenues have dropped substantially. I for one am wondering what is going on behind the scenes.
Happens to me often there.
Re. Amsterdam – I doubt anyone went over budget. These things are not what they used to be. Programs get together to host any dinners and the cost is minimal. If they have to steal any players to afford what they are spending these days, times are very bad indeed.
Now you guys got me wondering. Referback is getting the most exposure of any prima poker room (well, top 2) and producing a much lower number in the last few months than it should be. New reals are dropping which is very odd.
Please if anyone hears anything or has solid proof on this, let us know.
Hi,
oddly enough, I must speak up for RB, … to some extent.
I cannot say what they are: or are not doing, but I have this to offer.
for some time, I have kept RB at the back of my sites, even before the new “rule” was forced on us; the one about requiring a new player every month to keep from losing 5% :devil:
…. ah, but where was I? anyway,… about 6 months, maybe 9 before the new rule, I had begun cutting back their traffic due to what I felt was almost certainly a ……. cap, for lack of better words, that I was seeing, and that most other webmasters who I talked with had similar experience. You’d jump out to a good start the first week, then do nothing for 2 weeks and then the last week you’d usually have a little bit more added onto the scale.
So I pushed them back figuring that I was only going to make so much with them anyway, so why waste the extra traffic?
well either an old player, or someone new; (I can’t remember) started up at lucky nugget and I started seeing some fantastic months. really, really fantastic months.
Not being one to be too quick to jump back on a sinking ship, I waited … I’d say about up until a couple of months before the new rule, so that’s about 4 months time, where I didn’t ever increase traffic to any RB property, despite making this great income. Needless to say, I did finally give LN exposure, only to get this new rule forced upon us sometime shortly aftwards.
IMHO a tactic that is about as smart as was the “new coke” idea for so many reasons on so many levels ….
all that said, I hope nobody cruised too fast over the parts that said “really, really fantastic months” and “about 4 months time, where I didn’t ever increase traffic to any RB property”.
I still feel I was on some kind of cap. things were too obvious IMHO to have been anything else; but that was then, and after that came some nice months where I feel I was seeing results (not only to my liking) that were what I would consider to be more reasonably logical in respect to how my income gathered speed over the course of the month and how I would expect player’s to behave.
the last couple months haven’t been outstanding, in fact they’ve really sunk, but I always find great optimism in my opinion of a program’s integrity when I see something like I’ve just described to you.
There was no reason for RB to have increased my income unless they were trying to bait me into further exposure; but when that didn’t happen over night, rather a considerable amount of time passed; and my income didn’t just dive right back into the crapper; I think it is cause for pause and reflection; before completely turning my back on a program having labeled them cheats or shavers.
I don’t have an answer but rather raise more questions, I know.
I also seemed to have lost players at RB last month..
I agree with Professor, but it changed for me right after Jon Jon left.
what do you mean by lost players?
do you mean last month you had 100, this month you had 95 (and there were no player accounts closed)?
personally I felt that way too damn many players accounts got closed every month (back in the day, I still haven’t increased their traffic to any noteable size to be able to judge currently in this respect) – but when I used to send enough traffic to get say 8 or 10 new players in a month, that I could almost count on seeing 2 or 3 accounts closed every month as well. Which is extremely curious since I’ve only ever had two chargebacks in all the time I’ve been doing this; at all the places combined. Include RB in that list. And in fact; I’ve never seen any notice of any kind at RB that i ever had a player do a chargeback there. But that is the only reason for closing a player’s account that I can think of;? short of them getting caught cheating or some other rare offense that might occur, like cussing out the casino manager or something in an email? That’s the best I can come up with for closing accounts.
BTW, will RB pay us today? or is it on the tenth business day?
*I got myself in trouble; I was counting on WS to pay me on … today. because that’s what their website saiys; but when I didn’t see their payment at neteller, I checked the history and saw they paid me the 15th last month, so I assume it will be the 15th this month.
lesson learned. Next time if I want to know when a payment will arrive; check neteller history for the date I was paid on in previous months. Rather than checking the websites.
so anyway, I started looking backwards from there to see who might come thru for me sooner, and I saw RB paid me last month on the tenth.
I have always wondered if maybe JJ didn’t see the light at the end of the tunnel was dimming and didn’t care to have his name associated with what was to come.
Quite frankly back when he was running things, I always wondered if the poor guy didn’t do everything himself at RB, while his aff managers under him just took advantage of JJ’s good nature and so on … because if I ever wanted to get anything really done at RB, I had to contact JJ, it often took him a while to get back to me, but I tell you right now he always DID get back.
INCLUDING the small novel I wrote him one time where I elaborated to such points (this is way condensed): real people with real families with real needs who are counting on getting treated fairly and have invested their money – thereby meaning their lives, and their family’s lives; on the facts which we agreed upon when we signed up, which includes the promise to always pay us what we have legit earned.
that was about 4 or 6 months before he quit. Perhaps it even had a lot to do with his decision to walk away, whether he consciously knows it or not. I know it would very much bother me to be associated with anything but an honest program. I KNOW what its like on the other side; that we’re not all of us weekend webmasters who have only invested a few hundred bucks into this business. When a person or family invests the kind of serious money it takes to do any kind of legit advertising in this niche; they MUST see as good as return on their investment as possible because it’s going to take a big share of that money for your next month’s ads.
anyway my opinion had been that RB had begun to turn it around again. I assumed that was why my “cap” had been lifted.
its funny. when I should have been making the big money, … I didn’t. and then when I had all but forsaken them completely, … they turn in outstanding months.
now that I’ve begun showing them some limited exposure; they are begining to fall off ….
what a riddle.
I believe both of those programs pay after the 10th business day of the month.
Because of Amsterdam I expect both to be a little late in paying us this month.
yep, especially since instead of expensive bars inexpensive coffeshops were all the rage this year…
especially since instead of expensive bars inexpensive coffeshops were all the rage this year…
I guess depending on how long you stay at the coffee shops would determine the cost.. They were also popular last year
Hi again,
nobody really answered my question. How do you notice them missing?
do you mean last month you had 100, this month you had 95 (and there were no player accounts closed)?
or did they close accounts ?
or are you talking about you had play last month; but then this month you’ve seen little going on?
perhaps better worded; are you seeing a bad bottom line at the end of the month is the reason you’re saying they’ve disappeared?
or are you actually seeing your number of players slowly dissipate?
