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June 5, 2006 at 3:59 am #694506AnonymousInactiveBet22 wrote:I know this might be a stupid question but Washington state you guys are mentioning:
is it the District of Columbia?!?
Or is it Washington state on the Northwest of the states?
I am moving to the District of Columbia just beside Maryland am I at risk?!
Thanks
The state of Washington is in the Pacifc Northwest. D.C. is just that, District of Columbia.
June 5, 2006 at 5:54 am #694512AnonymousInactiveIntegrity (sp sorry).. you say they lied? They did the story, with a posed photograph, and promised to hide your identity? …. I read that article and saw the photo.. I have trouble beliving that you did not know the photograph you posed for would be published..
~LadyH
June 5, 2006 at 6:23 am #694513AnonymousInactiveLadyHoldem wrote:.. you say they lied? … I have trouble beliving that you did not know the photograph you posed for would be published…I didn’t really care about the photo… have you visited my site? I have already put my face in over 20 videos.
The paper was supposed to call me “J. Todd” and that was all. Maybe I shouldn’t have given the reporter any more info than that.
June 5, 2006 at 11:06 am #694535vladcizsolMemberBet 22 its Washington State, Not Washington DC…
June 5, 2006 at 5:35 pm #694608AnonymousInactiveIntegrity wrote:I must say that I am not in high spirits these days. It seems that — no matter what I think of — there’s still some small way that the government can come get me… if so inspired.errrr…. what can I say J.Todd… I can’t imagine what you are going through these days…. I just want to say as I told you before… if something like this will happen (I mean if you will go to jail).. I’m sure no one from this industry and Professor correct me if I’m wrong.. from the CAP will allow this to happen.. I know I will personally get you out of there.. I’m sure everyone here will do the same..
and even though moving could be difficult.. in my country we say “if you’ll change your place you’ll change your luck” so maybe you’ll be more lucky in a different place (or get lucky.. however you would like to phrase it…..:wink-wink)Try to keep positive as much as possible and get some sleep..
Call or email me if you need anything.
MalciJune 5, 2006 at 7:09 pm #694619AnonymousInactivePersonally I think you should leave the stats as soon as possible. At least stay with someone out of state for awhile till you know whats up. HELL bro I will let you stay with me even. I dont care but you DO need to get out by the 7th.
June 5, 2006 at 7:27 pm #694624AnonymousInactiveProbably you already considered this, but in case not:
Can’t you put your official adress elsewhere and stay in Washington yourselve?
June 5, 2006 at 7:36 pm #694627AnonymousInactiveMalci… Diceman… Jonitas… all my friends…
I will be safe by the 7th… you have my word. :turn:
Canada is a 20 minute drive, and I will do what I have to… especially in light of this:
Three times in the last 3 business days, I have been visited:
[IMG]http://apcw.org/WA-SS.JPG[/IMG]
The looked at my index page, review pages, rogue casinos page, and…
…they clicked through to Vegas Towers Casino!
Congrats, Fortune!
June 5, 2006 at 8:53 pm #694637AnonymousInactiveIntegrity wrote:I didn’t really care about the photo… have you visited my site? I have already put my face in over 20 videos.The paper was supposed to call me “J. Todd” and that was all. Maybe I shouldn’t have given the reporter any more info than that.
I understand now, thank you for clearing that up.
~LadyH
June 6, 2006 at 11:49 am #694698AnonymousInactiveIntegrity,
For what it’s worth, here are some defense items that you can use, should you have the need to use them (some are better than others, granted):
– In the event of an audit of your books, only show bank direct deposits
from NETeller (or whoever you use); no need to divulge the sources.– Claim all income, and pay all taxes
– Online Poker Sites advertise on American TV
– Google, Yahoo, etc., accept my Poker/Casino Site URLS’s
– I have a legal disclaimer on my site (make sure you have one)
– My site doesn’t involve gambling, only information
– My sites do not involve Sports Betting (make sure this is the case)
– I “advertise” sites that aren’t hosted in the U.S.
– My sites are information-based sites. Freedom of speech grants me
that privilege. Alcohol, tobacco, pornography, etc., are permitted.– No one from U.S. pays me directly; only non-U.S. entities
– All my customers are from outside the U.S. (let them prove otherwise)
– 1961 Wire Act is very ambiguous on how it applies to Internet. Use
this as a basis to challenge the Washington State law.– Horse-racing betting online in U.S. is allowed.
– American Indians have exclusive gaming rights.
– How can anyone determine if my customers are from U.S. or another
country ? Why can’t I advertise for players outside the U.S., as long as I
pay taxes on earnings ?– Fidelity and Merryl Lynch are invested in SportingBet company. Why is
this any different from what I do ? Fidelity and Merryl have offices in
Washington State.June 6, 2006 at 12:20 pm #694700vladcizsolMemberExcellent Tips dhayman! :cheers:
J Todd I think its best to avoid a legal confrontation AT ALL COSTS. Hell it rains to much in Washington state anyways, gtf outta dodge!
June 6, 2006 at 2:04 pm #694710AnonymousInactiveI’d send the Washington State Gaming Commision a 404 everytime they tried to access my stuff… As a matter of fact thanks for the IPs, I will block them now… even though I don’t live in Washington.
June 6, 2006 at 4:35 pm #694738AnonymousInactiveThanks for the list, dhayman!
Many of those suggestions I have considered already… some of them I have got legal advise on:
@dhayman] In the event of an audit of your books, only show bank direct deposits from NETeller (or whoever you use) no need to divulge the sources.[/QUOTE wrote:
Done and done.
dhayman wrote:Claim all income, and pay all taxesDone, done, and done!
dhayman wrote:I have a legal disclaimer on my site (make sure you have one)Done… but I hear they will laugh at it as the arrest me. Disclaimers have about 2% protection value.
dhayman wrote:My site doesn’t involve gambling, only informationUnfortunately, the law specifically addresses “gambling information” as breaking the law.
dhayman wrote:I “advertise” sites that aren’t hosted in the U.S.They don’t care… I live here, so “sorry about your luck” is how they feel.
dhayman wrote:My sites are information-based sites. Freedom of speech grants me that privilege. Alcohol, tobacco, pornography, etc., are permitted.Commercial speech is far less broad in it’s preotection, so again, their stance is : “sorry about your luck”.
@dhayman]No one from U.S. pays me directly only non-U.S. entities[/QUOTE wrote:
Problem is: All they have to due is send one agent through my links to make a deposit. Busted: Aiding and abbetting.
dhayman wrote:All my customers are from outside the U.S. (let them prove otherwise)Won’t matter, see above =0)
dhayman wrote:1961 Wire Act is very ambiguous on how it applies to Internet. Use this as a basis to challenge the Washington State law.Except there is now a State Law in place. They don’t need the Wire Act.
dhayman wrote:Horse-racing betting online in U.S. is allowed.Yup, and here in Washington, too! However, the online Horse Racing tracks are US based, state regulated, and pay TAXES TO WASHINGTON (click! Lights go on! LOL!!!)
dhayman wrote:American Indians have exclusive gaming rights.They’re the ones who caused all this shit in the first place!
dhayman wrote:How can anyone determine if my customers are from U.S. or another country ? Why can’t I advertise for players outside the U.S., as long as I pay taxes on earnings ?Again, they don’t care. I live here, I have a portal, I go to jail.
dhayman wrote:Fidelity and Merryl Lynch are invested in SportingBet company. Why is this any different from what I do ? Fidelity and Merryl have offices in Washington State.Now that is actually a very good point! =0)
If moving offshore was an easy fix, I would do it yesterday.
I have a plan, and by tonight I will be in compliance.
Last one out, please turn out the lights…
June 6, 2006 at 4:56 pm #694742AnonymousInactiveIntegrity,
I’m certainly no legal eagle, but this is a list I have kept, should the need arise. I agree, some arguments are rather weak.
In regard to the bogus guy who makes a deposit which you get paid from, there is no way that anyone can prove that you got paid from that bogus U.S. person. I would check with legal counsel, but believe that this is a possible strong defense. As long as the sites that you advertise corroborate your story about you only being paid by foreign players, I think you have a case here. Also, your legal disclaimer about people gambling in illegal jurisdictions should cover any redirected traffic sign-up, and put the onus on the gambling site itself.
This administration has turned this country to %*^& !! Big Brother does what it wants, and the moralistic pitch is what sickens me – the land-based casinos continue to pop-up all over, and as long as there is money involved (and tax revenue), it’s all fine and dandy. Such hypocrisy !
Look at the very worst case — they bust you as a test case, and you get fined (no way, they jail you !). Then you take your story to the press, get on every talk show that you can book, and begin authoring your 1st book, since your name will be household by then. Opportunity will knock, and you will collect in other ways.
Hopefully, your compliance plan, puts you in the clear, and you never have to deal with prosecution.
Count on a $ 1,000 USD pledge from me, if you get in any sort of legal trouble, by the way.
Best Regards
June 6, 2006 at 5:09 pm #694746AnonymousInactivedhayman wrote:– Online Poker Sites advertise on American TVActually, poker sites advertise their .net free poker sites and not the gambling ones, which they are not allowed to do. Big difference.
dhayman wrote:– Google, Yahoo, etc., accept my Poker/Casino Site URLS’sYou can’t justify your own bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior. If that was the case, no one would ever be charged since it would be impossible to round up every criminal at one single moment in time.
Furthermore, the sites you mentioned have cooperated with the DOJ on the federal level.
dhayman wrote:– I have a legal disclaimer on my site (make sure you have one)All these “disclaimers” are good for is potential help in a civil case, not a criminal one.
dhayman wrote:– My sites do not involve Sports Betting (make sure this is the case)According to the executive of the Washington State Gaming Commission, linking to a place that offers gambling is the same as offering the gambling yourself.
Quote:– My sites are information-based sites. Freedom of speech grants me
that privilege. Alcohol, tobacco, pornography, etc., are permitted.If it does, why do beer commercials not show people drinking? Why are there not Tobacco ads in Ballparks or kids magazines?
dhayman wrote:– No one from U.S. pays me directly; only non-U.S. entitiesThat’s a quick way to land you into hot water. Can you say Patriot Act?
Integrity pointed out the problems will all the other excuses. I would bet that they don’t do anything for awhile. If you are going to go after ma and pa Washingtonian, it would be best to let the issue die down, which it will.
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