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Hi Professer,
What I was trying to say earlier was that it doesn’t matter what the coupons or credits say, it’s what they play and withdraw. I have more stats I can show you. I have many thousands in Manager Credits too. It’s a simple matter of player cashouts vs deposits, just on a confusing platform. I hope you dont mind if I disagree that they are scraping. I have been paid for this 8k deposit.
Really, just trying to help.Mojo
Number of Clickthroughs: 23
Number of Downloaders: 12
Number of Players: 6
Number of New Depositors: 0
Total Initial Deposits: $0.00
Total Deposits: $7,950.00
Net Win: $34,308.44
Coupon Amounts Awarded: $28,344.00
Manager Credit Amounts Awarded: $622.50
ChargeBacks: $0.00
Net Profit: (Net Win – Coupons – Credits – Chargebacks) $5,341.94Here is ANOTHER RTG Operator I work with.
July Stats:
Quote:Clicks 99
Downloads 140
Signups 5
Initial Deposits $35.00
Depositors 2
Deposits $2,405.00
Withdrawals $0.00
Gross Win $2,230.01
Credits $967.70
Chargebacks $0.00
Net Win $1,262.31Total Accrued $441.81
Currently Owed $441.81Again the credits awarded make sense, they do NOT exceed deposits. I am earning money.
Cirrus is RAPING me with Manager Credits and Coupons so that my comissions are consistently cancelled out every month.
Mojo your Manager Credits and Coupons are not cancelling out all your comissions so of course you are happy. I would be too.
My situation is clearly different.
And other RTG operators are NOT playing this manager credit/coupon shell game.
Ok, I see. But here is my June stats with no deposit at all and a paycheck for me,
Total Deposits: $0.00
Net Win: $4,145.28
Coupon Amounts Awarded: $100.00
Manager Credit Amounts Awarded: $2,048.00
ChargeBacks: $0.00
Net Profit: (Net Win – Coupons – Credits – Chargebacks) $1,997.28Its confusing as hell Prof but it always works out every month.
Mojo
For the last three months it hasnt worked out for me at Cirrus. At all my other RTG casinos it has.
Mojo I dont mean to jump on you and I appreciate your input, but there is a problem here and I want Nicolas to get to the bottom of it and correct it. I have a family to feed and when I earn $0 for placement on my sites then my family get $0 worth of food.
I waited three months to see if the Manager Credits and Coupons were some sort of a quirk before I ran up the red flags. I think I have enough data now to lead me to believe something very wrong is going on with Cirrus Casino in my case.
If your June stats looked like this you would probably feel differently:
Total Deposits: $0.00
Net Win: $4,145.28
Coupon Amounts Awarded: $2,000.00
Manager Credit Amounts Awarded: $2,400.00
ChargeBacks: $0.00
Net Profit: (Net Win – Coupons – Credits – Chargebacks) ($254.72)Understood Professer and I respect that you are having a problem with Gambling Wages and I hope it works out. I will go on the record that they are not scrapers, players are paid and I have been paid up to date. They owe me for June. I will let the stats speak for themselves.
Best Regards,
Hi Professor,
I am sorry, but this is not making any sense. You say you sent us 13k in profit, yet only 7k in deposits. This doesn’t make sense, since it is IMPOSIBLE for us to profit more then your players deposited.
The “Net Win” is calculated as if your players had $25,000 in their accounts. And they did, but not $25K of real money, only $7k of real money. So if your players lost the $25k they had in their accounts; that would come up as $25k of “net win”, then 7K would have come up under “Net PROFIT”.
But that was not the case, since your players had $25K in their accounts (18 of which are “bonus money”) and they “lost” $13k, they still either have $12K in their accounts, or they withdrew that “money”. I can show you proof that your players withdrew and have in their accounts more then the $7k they deposited.
And about the bonus amounts; not all casinos offer high bonuses. Ours DO, you can see this by going to Cirrus Casino and looking at what you are promoting; http://www.cirruscasino.com/promotions_todays.php. As you can see these bonuses go over 400%, but they are not a conspiracy to deprive you of commissions, rather a tactic used to draw players into depositing.
If you find this bonus model is unprofitable then that is fine, but we are not shaving. And I would like to add that you had no problem with us giving high credits when your players were loosing a few month ago, but now that they won, all of a sudden this is an issue. In the past we offered your players the same ratio of deposits/credits, yet they lost, so you did earn money. Now we are still offering the same ratio of deposits/credits and they are winning, so you don’t earn money.
I mean no disrespect and I understand that in this industry there is a lot of distrust, many times rightfully so. But we DO NOT SHAVE OR STEAL. If you want to criticize us, go ahead and comment on the delay in payouts, or my non-responsiveness to emails since I have been alone, but I must defend the truth; we DO NOT shave. If you want proof, I will be more then glad to provide screen shots and whatever else you need to see the truth.
And if there is something I am missing, I will be more then glad to check it out and correct it; I am an honest person, and I would not work in a dishonest manner, so if money is owed, we will pay. I think this is all a misunderstanding due to confusing stats, but not dishonest ones. I am going home now, after a 12 hour day, I’ll be in tomorrow and will make sure I provide satisfaction to professor and anyone else that has doubts.:hattip:
Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
GamblingWages Affiliate ManagerYou may not earn as much per player, but you will GENERALLY (depends on type of traffic) have a hell of a lot more players convert with a 1,000% bonus explosion, then with a 50% sign up bonus.
actually Nic… will trade that any day…. give me more per player… I couldn’t care less about conversion rate. I cater to bigger players. I’ve never been one to send a ton of traffic….. just what I usually do send… is players that are on a bigger size ..
I understand i am different than most.. don’t hold that against you.
But you seem to fail to see my logic about listing casinos that get bad press.
I very much appreciate you’re position … I have in fact a relationship with nearly every aff manager ….. of casinos that i list …. that I know I can go to them and get satisfaction for any player issue.
So please understand I think that’s great your willing to be there for us.
what you’re missing is …. that if there is bad press…… a player saying stuff like i went to cash in $5k … which it states on the site i can do …. and then gets a reply they can only get half that … because ….. and of all the answers ….. ?? that they don’t have it?
…..sigh.
Nic. It makes the casino look bad. I list a casino that is viewed as bad …. it reflects on me. That’s why i list so few…. I’m all about branding…. return traffic. Satisfied surfers.
I don’t think that player was satisfied that was told your casinos didn’t have the $5k to pay. do you? truly?
I’m not trying to shoot you down… but at same time…… I cannot allow a bad casino rep to shoot me down.
I know I mentioned somewhere… either in this thread.. another here at CAP….. or perhaps at GPWA….. but I know i said somewhere that …… in fact.. GW was according to my partner… one of the better money making casinos currently….
thing is ….. is I can’t jump on the band wagon and take the chance that players…. surfers …… been coming around for years ….. see a post like that player who could only cash out half what they wanted …. and by your own T&Cs … should have been able to cash out $5k …. not $2500….
Makes me look bad. I don’t look to good to start with
(and I’m sure you’re probably agreeing like hell with that … and thats okay. … understandable).Try to understand from my POV.
Crap you think I wasn’t unhappy to read that …… As mentioned …. i had every intention of listing your casinos … and in fact have come to an agreement with my partner that we are going to list you on trial basis on the partner sites ….. but I balked at listing on any of my old sites .. which are being taking on this new partner.
I just won’t take chances with my return traffic….. it ain’t much .. but its all I got.
so anyway Nic… i hope we now understand each other…. look forward to working with you…… as this will come about some time in the next couple months.
before I go ….. I have to say that if the Prof isn’t happy… well it don’t speak well for our future because as you may have gathered … he’s very much more cordial than myself and frankly i’d have been in here raising cain about 2 months into those kind of stats.
I’ve always felt RTG was not a smart move …. for the exact reasons he is stating.
but I’m talked into giving your program a try. Hope I’m not back here 2 months after getting you up …… hollering about the same thing Prof is now.
thanks for your time.
@GamblingWages 132584 wrote:
I am an honest person, and I would not work in a dishonest manner, so if money is owed, we will pay.
sounds greate, but I can prove GW works in a dishonest manner.
My account is still deactivated and you even did not try to solve the problem.
The manager credits that have been added to the Prof’s stats are completely and utterly ridiculous. With those credits it’s impossible to ever make a profit as an aff.
RTG has a terrible accounting system for affiliates.
Even with the most ethical and best converting casinos you have a problem. I have always carried a handful of ethical RTG casinos as a service to players who like the software, but I have never found them to be competative with other softwares as far as the buck for the volume goes.
That said, I also don’t like the huge bonus model. It attracts bonus hunters, problem gamblers and people who think they are getting something for free and end up pissed off when they see they are paying more and more for the illusion or when they can’t cash out. That is why the huge bonus model casinos have more public image problems than others.
I prefer steady players with an entertainment budget who are educated and know what to expect. These are generally not interested in huge bonuses but look at reputation and trust. I find I make more money and sleep better at night working in this fashion.
I take RTG’s as they are, I dont bother trying to figure out the stats to much really and have always had a good payiout with GW, there are a lot of good points as well and from talking to an RTG casino owner in the past they really do not have any control over cash/ stats or bonuses other than requesting what type of bonus is allowed..
I would love to see more detailed stats of money withdrawn as the main one!
Hi
don’t disagree about cash/stats control ……. but gotta wonder about the bonus … manager credits thing.
it doesn’t make sense some RTGs don’t hit so hard on that note .. while others seem rampant about it.
What on earth could be the reasoning behind RTG giving so many credits/ bonuses to one bunch of casinos . while not to their others?
surely this would mean the respective casino is making these decisions.
just an observation.
Handled responsibly, the manager bonus could be a good thing. If it is used for retention of good, solid players. Some RTGs do use it that way.
If it is used in high amounts to suck in problem gamblers and to drive every player’s wagering requirements so high that it’s impossible to cash out, it’s a bad thing. Only bonus hunters don’t mind sitting there by the hour chiseling away at seemingly unsurmountable wagering requirements. The risk of ruin becomes huge. Normal players don’t even realize what’s going on there. Hence so many complaints. The side effect being that not only will players not be able to win, affiliates have to finance the whole thing, and that ends up in stats like the professor’s.
Note* 2006 for the year the stats were nagative 12 months. the months skipped are due to I pulled there banners and there were no activitie to speak of. Then I put them back up to try and see if I could change the problem, the problem never changed. I also thought that they did not carry over nagitives but I guess they do. I also relize this is not cirrus I was unable to access my stats for them but they are the same all the casinos that Gambling Wages offer all nagitive and never positive balance for a year and more.
1/1/06
Number of Clickthroughs: 29
Number of Downloaders: 4
Number of Players: 3
Number of New Depositors: 1
Total Initial Deposits: $20.00
Total Deposits: $20.00
Net Win: $95.14
Coupon Amounts Awarded: $75.00
Manager Credit Amounts Awarded: $0.00
ChargeBacks: $0.00
Net Profit: (Net Win – Coupons – Credits – Chargebacks) $20.14
Amount Deducted: $0.00
Amount Miscellaneous Adjustments: $0.00
Amount Added For Reversed Bans: $0.00
Amount Earned: $6.04
Amount Earned From Tiers: $0.00
Amount Accrued This Period: ($2,085.86)Summary to Date Number of Clickthroughs: 1282
Number of Downloaders: 534
Number of Players: 360
Number of New Depositors: 30
Total Initial Deposits: $1,302.00
Total Deposits: $20,854.00
Net Win: $37,728.06
Coupon Amounts Awarded: $36,914.52
Manager Credit Amounts Awarded: $10,368.99
ChargeBacks: $0.00
Net Profit: (Net Win – Coupons – Credits – Chargebacks) ($10,523.78)
Amount Deducted: $89.99
Amount Miscellaneous Adjustments: $5.86
Amount Added For Reversed Bans: $0.00
Amount Earned: ($1,431.50)
Amount Earned From Tiers: $0.00
3/1/06Summary for this Pay Period Number of Clickthroughs: 19
Number of Downloaders: 0
Number of Players: 0
Number of New Depositors: 0
Total Initial Deposits: $0.00
Total Deposits: $100.00
Net Win: $279.97
Coupon Amounts Awarded: $130.00
Manager Credit Amounts Awarded: $50.00
ChargeBacks: $0.00
Net Profit: (Net Win – Coupons – Credits – Chargebacks) $99.97
Amount Deducted: $0.00
Amount Miscellaneous Adjustments: $0.00
Amount Added For Reversed Bans: $0.00
Amount Earned: $29.99
Amount Earned From Tiers: $0.00
Amount Accrued This Period: ($2,055.87)
6/1/06Number of Clickthroughs: 21
Number of Downloaders: 0
Number of Players: 0
Number of New Depositors: 0
Total Initial Deposits: $0.00
Total Deposits: $2,046.00
Net Win: ($2,863.35)
Coupon Amounts Awarded: $56.12
Manager Credit Amounts Awarded: $1,000.00
ChargeBacks: $0.00
Net Profit: (Net Win – Coupons – Credits – Chargebacks) ($3,920.61)
Amount Deducted: $0.00
Amount Miscellaneous Adjustments: $0.00
Amount Added For Reversed Bans: $0.00
Amount Earned: $0.00
Amount Earned From Tiers: $0.00
Amount Accrued This Period: ($2,037.90)
7/1/06
Number of Clickthroughs: 15
Number of Downloaders: 1
Number of Players: 1
Number of New Depositors: 0
Total Initial Deposits: $0.00
Total Deposits: $325.00
Net Win: ($2,239.85)
Coupon Amounts Awarded: $275.00
Manager Credit Amounts Awarded: $487.50
ChargeBacks: $0.00
Net Profit: (Net Win – Coupons – Credits – Chargebacks) ($3,002.35)
Amount Deducted: $0.00
Amount Miscellaneous Adjustments: $0.00
Amount Added For Reversed Bans: $0.00
Amount Earned: $0.00
Amount Earned From Tiers: $0.00
Amount Accrued This Period: ($2,037.90)
8/1/06
Number of Clickthroughs: 15
Number of Downloaders: 1
Number of Players: 1
Number of New Depositors: 0
Total Initial Deposits: $0.00
Total Deposits: $275.00
Net Win: $1,013.15
Coupon Amounts Awarded: $470.00
Manager Credit Amounts Awarded: $267.50
ChargeBacks: $0.00
Net Profit: (Net Win – Coupons – Credits – Chargebacks) $272.90
Amount Deducted: $60.00
Amount Miscellaneous Adjustments: $0.00
Amount Added For Reversed Bans: $0.00
Amount Earned: $0.00
Amount Earned From Tiers: $0.00
Amount Accrued This Period: ($2,097.90)
