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Yes, I think we have been ignored.
Now this is not going to change anytime soon – Satya will be in Miami.
I came in here looking for some help on figuring out their stats, but it looks like I don’t need to bother with them. Just for my sanity’s sake though, do they have decent reporting hidden away somewhere that I’m not aware of? All I see is a crappy summary of the month…
PP has just that small thing. The other Iglobal properties have nicer stats.
Thanks!
After reading this thread I replaced their banner on most of my poker pages, but I appreciate the info. The text links will take a bit more time…
Still no news??
Hi Guys,
I know of late there has been some confusion in the presentation/interpretation of our new affiliate agreement. I want to clarify again that PartyPoker.com has always respected and protected the affiliates’ interests and affiliates are indeed very important for us.
The new agreement only applies to the affiliates who have signed up after 23rd of May 2005 and for all the affiliates who have signed up before that the old agreement holds good. And the only difference between the new and the old agreement is the tracking of inactive real money players (inactive for more than 60 days).
Clarification – Real money players will be tracked to the affiliate for life, even if they become inactive.
Other issues raised
Play money players older than 60 days –
I have already clarified in my earlier post. This is not a recent change and this has been a part of the affiliate agreement for over a year. Play money players are currently locked in with the original referring affiliate, but we intend to provide more flexibility on this soon to benefit affiliates who can assist players who have difficulties with their first deposit.Termination clause –
This is a standard clause which has been the part of our affiliate agreement since the start.I again reiterate the fact that old affiliates won’t be affected in anyway with the recent changes introduced in the affiliate agreement.
Thanks,
Satya” soon to benefit affiliates who can assist players who have difficulties with their first deposit.”
This is very puzzling. A player has an account (play money) with Party Poker. Isn’t it Party Poker’s job to convert that fun player into a real player?? Why would they want other affiliates doing that, or even communicating with the players?
It’s like if Wal-Mart has an affiliate program that pays 1% of sales. Would they allow affiliates to be strolling through the aisles of the store??? No, they’d want those affiliates to only be advertising outside the store to bring in new leads, not take credit for existing ones.
Can the stats be improved somewhat, so that we can know for certain we are no worse off?
For instance, let us know each month a) how many total players (fun + real) we have under our account, b) how many real players we have, i.e. who have played for real money anytime since joining, c) how many real players played for money in the current month, and d) how many fun players played for fun in the current month. Even better would be daily stats for the above 4 items.
Those kinds of stats would help us know how we’re doing. I keep sending more and more real-money players to Party Poker, but I don’t see my income rising — it has hit a plateau. If other affiliates are stealing my income-generating players, that’s unacceptable. It’s a zero-sum game for Party Poker, that could turn into a negative-sum game if affiliates who are bringing in real players don’t see their incomes rise in proportion to the number of players they’re introducing to Party Poker.
Most of my poker income is still pay-per-click on my best domains, and it’s the uncertainty of the affiliate programs that causes it to be this way. If I’m unable to predict what the rev-share will be down the road, when affiliates are stealing players from other affiliates to share the rake, or to get a bounty, it undermines the entire program and makes we want to seek out alternatives. iGlobalMedia knows all my best domains too, and that I don’t scam (I rely only on type-in domains, nice passive income). I would think that’s the kind of affiliate that iGlobalMedia would like to have for the long term.
If Party Poker really wanted to do something, they should go after all the people who are typo-squatting on Party Poker domain names. Here’s just a sampler:
wwwpartypoker.com (i.e. “www” with no dot in front of “partypoker.com”)
There are hundreds of others (email me and I can show you how to find them all). If Party Poker (which has registered TMs for its brand) cracked down on all those typos (filing the appropriate UDRPs), they’d have more money for legit affiliates.
Play money players older than 60 days –
I have already clarified in my earlier post. This is not a recent change and this has been a part of the affiliate agreement for over a year. Play money players are currently locked in with the original referring affiliate, but we intend to provide more flexibility on this soon to benefit affiliates who can assist players who have difficulties with their first deposit.If this has been a part of PP for a year – I have been there longer than that I believe.
And regardless – I find it unacceptable.
Who the heck are these affiliates who are being given access to my play money players and why? How come they are allowed to comp my players?
Isn’t this rake back painted purple? Except that the thief doesn’t have to scramble around to steal but is invited in with open arms by PP?
I am sorry, I consider this theft of my hard earned players. It isn’t as easy as it used to be to attract players. To have the program I send my players to allow someone to go in and steal them is simply unacceptable.
I’m confused…..
Play money players older than 60 days – I have already clarified in my earlier post. This is not a recent change and this has been a part of the affiliate agreement for over a year. Play money players are currently locked in with the original referring affiliate, but we intend to provide more flexibility on this soon to benefit affiliates who can assist players who have difficulties with their first deposit.
If a player is ‘locked in’ with my affiliate code, how can another affiliated ‘assist’ that player, and REPLACE my code? To the best of my knowledge, PP only allows one ID per player.
Isn’t it Party Poker’s job to convert that fun player into a real player
Damn well said!
This is rediculous. An aff can take the surfer to the sponsor’s chosen landing page: and that is it! From there, it is the sponsor’s job to convert.
What an insult to our intelligence! Come on, work with me. Give me something I can at least try to fool myself into believing. This leaves no room for any kind of mistaking: our players, that we have worked so hard to be able to send to PP; are now up for grabs to the next affiliate willing to fund their account: in the case that they don’t become real depositors the first 60 days after they signed up.
Sigh.
Okay, I want to steal players too. How do I do this?
The least PP can do is to make it a level ground for stealing players. Is there a list I can view an go down and start sending money to their accounts so the player then becomes mine?
I’m sorry, but that’s how I read this all to be. Please enlighten me on the areas I am wrong.
bb1webs wrote:Okay, I want to steal players too. How do I do this?The least PP can do is to make it a level ground for stealing players. Is there a list I can view an go down and start sending money to their accounts so the player then becomes mine?
Actually, there is a feature at PP where you can send money to your own player’s accounts.
I think an explanation of this is forthcoming…..
Is Party Poker going to tell you your players names so you can “assist” them with their deposit?
Otherwise how can you keep them under you?
I have no idea how this is supposed to work.
I am waiting for an explanation.
I don’t promote Party Poker yet. Due to these changes in their affiliate Terms and Conditions I will not be promoting them in the future any time soon. I think you will also find many affiliates give you a wide berth as a result of you changing your terms and conditions.
There isn’t any way I am going to give players money to gamble with. The main reason being that legally, I think it crosses the line of advertising and makes me look more actively involved in placing wagers. I certainly don’t want to be sued some day because I helped someone along with a gambling problem, such as is happening in CA right now. This is just ridiculous. I can think of no other business (affiliate or not) that involves secondary advertisers paying customers to buy products & services.
