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Guys I want to clarify my position.
1. I am indeed very passionate about the issues and I love this country. I see change as critical not just for country, but for the whole world. I honestly believe this is the most important election in our life times and it could change the world for the better or doom America to third world status. This is reflected in the fervor in which I post.
2. I debate issues I care about aggressively. Thats my nature and my italian blood.
3. I respect the opinions of Richard and Chips. I think both are very intellingent and articulate. I dont agree with their polictics even 1%, but I do believe their voices need to be heard and do represent a slice of far right wing extremism in America and its something we all need to be aware of.
4. Guys when I do present my points I do so based on the facts and realities of what I see around me, but I dont want you think I dont respect or like you guys or value your opinion. Its politics and thats brings out passionate debate in all of us.
My point is its healthy to debate the issues but let’s not lose respect or decorum for each other. I apologize if my posts seem insulting. They probably are if you are a far right winger, but that is not my intent. I get too worked up some time. Lets continue the conversation and I will do my best to be more civil.
Now for a little humor:
Homer Simpson tries to vote for Obama
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aBaX9GPSaQ@Professor 179103 wrote:
3. I respect the opinions of Richard and Chips. I think both are very intellingent and articulate. I dont agree with their polictics even 1%, but I do believe their voices need to be heard and do represent a slice of far right wing extremism in America and its something we all need to be aware of.
I agree Professor!
I’ve known Richard for years and he is a good guy. While I do not agree with the to much of anything they believe in, it’s always good to find out what other folks think, but it’s also good to know when to say when and know your tolorance level. hehe
thats the good thing about being able to vote. I of course respect the whole group here otherwise I wouldnt be here!
I have all the same thoughts as you Lou, just see the disaster comming from the other side!
Keating 5 happened over 20 years ago and McCain was found NOT guilty in the S & L scandal.
That was then, Obama’s is now. If you think that Congree will investigate his ties to those organizations or the present banking mess, then you’re dreaming. We bailed out Wall Street and the people who were the cause of this mess!@bleuze 179137 wrote:
Keating 5 happened over 20 years ago
LOL That’s the prospective that my husband takes when I bring up crap that he has done in the past that makes me angry.
Just because it’s old news does NOT make it irrellivant. Just because he was found not guily does not mean he is innocent, just look at OJ.
Well i finally found out why he met with keating, a few weeks back on CNN.
Besides keating being a constituent. Appears Mrs. McCain had millions invested in a real estate project keating was heading up. So, he basically did it to help someone they had invested money with.
No wonder the senate made a point of slapping him for doing that, eventhough it wasn’t as bad as what Riegle, DeConci and Cranston did. Wonder what John Glenn did to get in the same boat as McCain? maybe military heroes were given a bit of credit for their service?
@bleuze 179137 wrote:
Keating 5 happened over 20 years ago and McCain was found NOT guilty in the S & L scandal.
That was then, Obama’s is now. If you think that Congree will investigate his ties to those organizations or the present banking mess, then you’re dreaming. We bailed out Wall Street and the people who were the cause of this mess!The past is prologue. McCain had very close ties to Keating who, at the time, played an explicit role in the epic failure of the Savings & Loans institutions (namely Lincoln Savings & Loan, which Keating was Chairman of), which cost the Federal Gov./Taxpayers $160 Billion. Just because McCain wasn’t found guilty does not mean he didn’t show a complete lack of ethical awareness or judgement. Forward 20 years & McCain’s campaign manager Rick Davis has shady ties to Freddie. $15,000 a month for what? Access to McCain. If lobbyists are running his campaign, who do you think will run the White House?
McCain advisers and fundraisers lobbied for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
Six of his advisers and fundraisers lobbied for Freddie Mac including:
· McCain’s Current Chief of Staff Mark Buse,
· top McCain adviser Charles Black,
· Carlos Bonilla,
· Al D’Amato,
· Juleanna Glover Weiss
· Susan Molinari.Thirteen of them lobbied for Fannie Mae including:
· McCain’s Congressional Liaison John Green,
· Head of VP Search Team AB Culvahouse,
· Wayne Berman,
· Kirk Blalock,
· Alberto Cardenas,
· Kirsten Chadwick,
· Richard Holht,
· Kate Hull,
· Aleix Jarvis,
· Tom Loeffler,
· Peter Madigan,
· Allison McSlarrow
· Aquiles Suarez. [John McCain.com, Senate Lobbying Disclosures]MCCAIN HAS EXTENSIVE TIES TO AIG AS WELL:
McCain Fundraisers, Advisors Include Eight AIG Lobbyists & Executives
* Edmund Lee, AIG Executive is a bundler
* Susan Nelson, finance director, was an AIG lobbyist from 2004-2005
* Wayne Berman, vice-chair, was an AIG lobbyist from 2004-2007
* John Green, Capitol Hill liaison, was an AIG lobbyist from 2004-2007
* Bundler James Pitts was an AIG lobbyist from 2006-2007
* Bundler Tim Powers was an AIG lobbyist in 2001
* Fundraiser Kate Hull was an AIG lobbyist from 2002-2007
* Bundler Phil Anderson was an AIG lobbyist from 2006-2007I am only speaking about the majority of people who wrote on this topic. Nothing on your personal lives or knowledge of online gaming.
I have to say (Like who cares LOL ) speaking as a moderate right wing conservitive Christian, not the type you might see on Television or make the headlines, just a church going , recovering addict, beliving in Christ as my Higher Power type of guy, What I heard at my 12 step meeting a few weeks ago reminds me of the one that started this topic to about 99% of those who followed:
Ya’ll are like what that guy, Paul wrote in Romans 1:22. LOL, really. Whats that word? ap po pro. My spelling sucks, but thats whay most of what I read in this post reminds me of.
Well, gotta get ready to go watch dem dodger beat up on my cubbies again, I bought the ticket for game three cause I was going to celebrate the cubs wrapping up the series tonight lol, man I can really pick em.
Have a good money making week everyone.
PS Erik, Didnt you leave out a few of those Fannie Mae guys who gave Obama money.. Im not going to get into who or how much, but isnt it a little childish to name some who helped one party and then leave out the fact that Obama was the second largest benifactor of fanniemay while he has only been a senator for 2 years. Are you really concerned about our country or YOUR agenda, cause if its your country your concerned about, I would think you would present all of the facts and let the people decide after hearing both sides, not just one. Honestly, you and everyone esle in here knows this bs go’s on both sides, sometimes the dems are worse, sometimes the reps are worse, but at least be up front and name the people who helped Obama get money to build his new house, I mean come on with this one side BS.
Its all about your agenda, people in here might agree with you and slam, but they know your comments are bias, cause if they werent you would list the faults of the other side.For me, I gotta play off game to attend, so I am going to get into my gas guzzeling Vet and drive down the 405 and pass up the save the planet people driving their hummers, and big old caddie SUV’s that have a save the whales bumper sticker on their car but wont roll down the window to give the man on the coner playing his horn a buck , then turn my head and see the other guy with a save the plantet bumper sticker on his car and I’ll turn to my friend and say, did you see that asshole ( sometimes we Christians do swear) flip his cigar out the window and then get to the ballpark and push through a crowed of Barbara Striesand typy people filled with compassion, getting pissed at the guy on crutches cause shes has to wait a minute longer before she gets to go in the special door that the middle class people she loves so much will never get to see, and hopefully after all that get to watch the cubs beat the dodgers. :hattip: to freedom of speech, everyones freedom
Just want to follow-up on an earlier post I made about the Michigan registration deadline being Monday, Oct. 6th. Might as well post all the deadlines since they are all coming up very soon. If you know anyone who hasn’t registered yet please send them to: http://www.voteforchange.com/
(I believe you can also confirm that your current registration details are correct through the site & also what polling station(s) you are eligible to vote at)State Voter Registration Deadlines:
Alabama Fri, Oct. 24
Alaska Sun, Oct. 5 (postmark by Sat, Oct. 4)
Arizona Mon, Oct. 6
Arkansas Mon, Oct. 6
California Mon, Oct. 20
Colorado Mon, Oct. 6
Connecticut Tues, Oct. 21
Delaware Sat, Oct. 11
District of Columbia Mon, Oct. 6
Florida Mon, Oct. 6
Georgia Mon, Oct. 6
Hawaii Mon, Oct. 6
Idaho Register at Polls
Illinois Tues, Oct. 7
Indiana Mon, Oct. 6
Iowa Fri, Oct. 24 (or on Election Day at polling place)
Kansas Mon, Oct. 20
Kentucky Mon, Oct. 6
Louisiana Mon, Oct. 6
Maine Tue, Oct. 21 (or on Election Day at polling place)
Maryland Tue, Oct. 14
Massachusetts Wed, Oct. 15
Michigan Mon, Oct. 6
Minnesota Same Day Registration at polling place
Mississippi Mon, Oct. 6
Missouri Wed, Oct. 8
Montana Mon, Oct. 6 (or same day at elections office)
Nebraska Fri, Oct. 24 (mail by Fri, Oct. 17)
Nevada Tue, Oct. 4 (or in person until Oct. 14)
New Hampshire Same Day
New Jersey Tues, Oct. 14
New Mexico Tues, Oct. 7
New York Fri, Oct. 10
North Carolina Fri, Oct. 10
North Dakota N/A
Ohio Mon, Oct. 6
Oklahoma Fri, Oct. 10
Oregon Tue, Oct. 14
Pennsylvania Mon, Oct. 6
Rhode Island Sat, Oct. 4
South Carolina Sat, Oct. 4
South Dakota Mon, Oct. 20
Tennessee Mon, Oct. 6
Texas Mon, Oct. 6
Utah Mon, Oct. 6 or in person Tue, Oct. 28
Vermont Wed, Oct. 29
Virginia Mon, Oct. 6
Washington Sat, Oct. 4 (or until Mon, Oct. 20 in person)
West Virginia Wed, Oct. 15
Wisconsin Wed, Oct. 15 (or on Election Day at polling place)
Wyoming Can register at pollsbleuze;179099 wrote:Ever wonder who is backing Obama? Wonder no more:The above list does not include his pals in Chicago and Acorn!
Bleuze…. Do you REALLY believe that Obama is being paid by the IRA and the UVF?
because, you know, those two groups don’t really get along. At all.
Interested to see that the Judean People’s Front didn’t make the list:hattip:
Thats my nature and my italian blood.
Hell Professor, For some reason I thought you were from Long Beach CA, i honestly did.
When I read this Thats my nature and my italian blood. I was going to invite you to our Grandsons of Italy Club.
Too bad, You would have fit in with most of those guys.
This time I really do have to go, guy with the tickets just knocked.
Nite all
@bud405n 179163 wrote:
PS Erik, Didnt you leave out a few of those Fannie Mae guys who gave Obama money.. Im not going to get into who or how much, but isnt it a little childish to name some who helped one party and then leave out the fact that Obama was the second largest benifactor of fanniemay while he has only been a senator for 2 years. Are you really concerned about our country or YOUR agenda, cause if its your country your concerned about, I would think you would present all of the facts and let the people decide after hearing both sides, not just one. Honestly, you and everyone esle in here knows this bs go’s on both sides, sometimes the dems are worse, sometimes the reps are worse, but at least be up front and name the people who helped Obama get money to build his new house, I mean come on with this one side BS.
Its all about your agenda, people in here might agree with you and slam, but they know your comments are bias, cause if they werent you would list the faults of the other side.I was citing current McCain campaign advisors w/ lobbyist or official fundraising posts that have direct ties to Freddie & Fannie. Everyone is aware that both camps have taken money from them whether directly or indirectly at some point. Those listed are official campaign fundraisers (bundlers). The distinct difference is that when Obama has been made aware of an advisors/staffers conflict of interest, they were asked to leave or they resigned. Which as far as I’m aware was only Jim Johnson (on the VP selection committee). The Raines connection was quickly & decisively proven false. McCain on the other hand apparently has no problem allowing his campaign staff, who have direct ties to Fannie & Freddie including his campaign manager, to continue without repercussion. I am fully aware that nobody’s hands are clean of the financial crisis we are in. Neither candidate, or any Senator or Rep., can escape blame for this mess. My concern is that with a campaign (McCain’s) run overwhelmingly by lobbyists, they will have direct influence on McCain’s policy making decisions should he become president. I don’t have an “agenda”. I have serious problems with McCain and his lack of judgement (example: Picking Palin as his VP pick after meeting her only once) & also his views on the critical issues that our country faces. I also strongly feel that Obama & Biden represent my view of what is best for our country. I am far more concerned about my country than my “agenda”. Could we please try to avoid personal attacks? This has been an excellent discussion up until this point. I am not writing an article in a esteemed journal where I’m expected to provide both perspectives. I’m posting on a message board w/ an admitted tilt towards the candidate I support. Kinda like the Fox “news” channels “We report, You decide” crap. Like you said… “to freedom of speech, everyones freedom” :hattip:
@bud405n 179163 wrote:
PS Erik, Didnt you leave out a few of those Fannie Mae guys who gave Obama money.. Im not going to get into who or how much, but isnt it a little childish to name some who helped one party and then leave out the fact that Obama was the second largest benifactor of fanniemay while he has only been a senator for 2 years.
Why can’t YOU post the stuff if it’s so important to you to show the other side. Take some action yourself instead of expecting others to do it for you.
I’d like to see it so I can waste time digging up some more stuff on the crooked republicans.
First, I know that I’m not going to win my point. However, just for the record, this all financial mess started with Obama and Acorn in Chicago when they started the bank megers and forced the banks to make sub prime mortgages to the people in the Chicago area.
http://www.city-journal.org/html/13_2_acorns_nutty_regime.html
Do facts matter? Or is Obama’s rhetoric and the media’s spin enough to make facts irrelevant?
Fact Number One: It was liberal Democrats, led by Sen. Christopher Dodd and Congressman Barney Frank, who for years — including the present year — denied that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were taking big risks that could lead to a financial crisis.
It was Sen. Dodd, Congressman Frank, and other liberal Democrats who for years refused requests from the Bush administration to set up an agency to regulate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
It was liberal Democrats, again led by Dodd and Frank, who for years pushed for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to go even further in promoting subprime mortgage loans, which are at the heart of today’s financial crisis.
Alan Greenspan warned them four years ago. So did the chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers to the president. So did Bush’s secretary of the Treasury, five years ago.
Yet, today, what are we hearing? That it was the Bush administration “right-wing ideology” of “de-regulation” that set the stage for the financial crisis. Do facts matter?
We also hear that it is the free market that is to blame. But the facts show that it was the government that pressured financial institutions in general to lend to subprime borrowers, with such things as the Community Reinvestment Act and, later, threats of legal action by then Attorney General Janet Reno if the feds did not like the statistics on who was getting loans and who wasn’t.
Now, we tax payers must cough up $700 billion this month. What will it be in a few months from now? In the last 30 days we payed $200 billion for Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac, $300 billion for homeowners that were over extended, $85 billion for an insurance company that had no business buying home mortgages. Congress doesn’t care since they can just tax the people for more if need be. That’s why the dems love taxes!
