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I’ll be one to thank you for the changes Ryan. I went years doing very little with Casino Rewards and now it is a steady money maker for me.
I like the new model.
Thanks,
Joe
I don’t know about the international tax for the self employed like we all are here – but in the US under the cash accrued sole proprietorship, there is a box that all of us check when doing our taxes, “100% of the business is a risk”.
Ryan allowed those that wanted to change back to the rev share with the existing players[correct me if I’m wrong Ryan]could change, but had to change back within a certain time frame. We all knew the risk from the get go, but a $100 deposit rev share @25% is $25 commission. That same deposit in wager share and a $100 bet will net you in commissions around a buck ten. If you get a disciplined player that knows how to play blackjack, he or she can easily take that $100 deposit and wager well over 5K. I’ll get a decent neteller deposit from CR one month and nothing the next, a decent one the 3rd and nothing the 4th. It was the same way with rev share.
We’ve all complained at sometime or another because someone won big and took our commissions away. Now we can entice players in winning and CR has good retention and rewards loyal players.
As Greek stated and Ryan sadly concurred(possibly mis-spelled), if the program’s not working for you, then move on to the next – but remember the proverbial how so and so is “always there for you when they need you” like some of the other programs we’ve discussed before.
Ryan and Renee’ have always been there for you……….period!!
Try not to stay tunnel visioned into next months commissions but rather look beyond the horizon into next years’
Nice post, voovoo.
Love the winners here!
I have had a decent paycheck here every time since the change, because winners don’t wipe me out anymore, I get paid double. Once when they play to win, then when they play it back.
I like it that way. Would never switch back.
Hi,
Got to agree there, Ryan and Renee’ always got back to me fast and answered all my questions.
Hi all,
as most know I am a supporter of RA and agree 100% that Ryan and Renee and in fact nearly everyone I’ve ever worked with at CR has been great at being there and accessible which is a lot more than I can say for many programs.
that said; I think the situation of wager vs other … will eventually take care of itself … especially if wager turns out to be such a discouraging result to what I’m certain was a move towards keeping affiliates happy because they are after all … an affiliate program. Those don’t do too well without affiliates.
So far what I’ve read is that a lot of people are having a bad month (I may be too, I haven’t checked yet) but I think what some are missing is the fact that it IS the time of the summer slowdown. That means people are gambling less. That statement in itself should go a long ways in explaining bad results for a wager model.
I think what some are missing is that for all you know … (and I’m using the 8 players as an example) ….. but for all any of us know … 5 or 6 of those 8 may come back and gamble their little asses off come Sept or Nov when they can’t get out of the house as much. A risk most of us chose to take over getting paid up front.
and I think you’d be facing the challenge of such a risk under any model except cpa at this point in time.
I think Ryan has done a pretty good job at showing how there really wasn’t much difference in earnings had the old style model been in place to at least a portion of the complainers here and I doubt he went and did the math on everyone’s situation so it is likely more than just those selected out … would fall into the same category.
Just food for thought.
In any case as I mentioned, I think the situation will take care of itself. if wagershare proves to “put-off” a lot of potential new affiliates then it would be rather foolish of RA to not consider switching back to the old model or perhaps since they’ve now done the work to establish the wager share model, … they will choose to offer multiple choices including the old and the new.
I’m sure why they didn’t do this in the first place was it was decided the new wager share model would prove to be everything they’ve claimed and nobody would be looking back (for the most part). But like with so many other things I have experienced or seen happen on the net …. what looks bullet-proof on paper just doesn’t always carry over into real life.
Ryan, Ryan, Ryan
Diceman wrote:Man I feel you so much!
I just took ALL of their sites down.How about this for heart breaking..
$17,168.76 $189.93 8 new playes as well. Very sad….
dont think I said anything about % but its ok, you know I am being shafted though so thanks for making that point by being defensive.1294266 [$] 35-40 5/30/2005 7/16/2006 None $75,001-$100,000 $5,001-$10,000 $1,001-$5,000
How about just switching me back so I can get money from just this player. You can keep the rest.Let me see… and about my stats. I had LOTS of players and now only 4 active. Explain how in less than a year I lose almost all my players and go from making about 5k with them to making $11 in a month?
bb1webs
that said; I think the situation of wager vs other … will eventually take care of itself … especially if wager turns out to be such a discouraging result to what I’m certain was a move towards keeping affiliates happy because they are after all … an affiliate program. Those don’t do too well without affiliates.
I think you’re allowing your emotions to win out over logic. It’s ok, I used to be the same way, it’s just that I’ve been ‘educated’. RA knows exactly what they’re doing and exactly the effect it’s having. And they are not going to change it. They have thousands of affiliates, after all. As Ryan posted earlier in this thread, you can like it, or you can leave. Ok, he probably didn’t say it that harshly, he is, after all, a polite man. But basically, that’s what he said. Another less polite way of saying it would be ‘Don’t let the door hit you in the ass on the way out’.
I am willing to run with the program for several more months and gauge the results. I think Ryan is straight up and responds promptly and honestly and that alone allows me to keep with the program for awhile.
If over time the program earns an acceptable return then I keep promoting, its not rocket science it is business. Thanks Ryan for doing a good job of communicating with us affiliates.
Brian
Hi again,
I should add that so far the results I’ve seen are promising with the new model but like Dom eluded to: most of my players are slots players (I was originally surprised to find that out) so its entirely possible that may be the reason I’m seeing promise where others are not.
One other thing that I am doing is to try and focus the RA properties on pages where i think I’ll get the kind of traffic which plays a long time without seeing anything much more than a few dollars actually trade hands … which in my thinking would be the video poker traffic … I’m still at a loss as to how the slots players are making this model look so good because frankly when I play slots its either lose fast … or lose very fast
with an occasional win streak thrown in to keep me interested but usually when I win its a lot and the rest of the time I don’t seem to play long enough to let my neteller account cool down from the previous deposit … before I’m back wanting more.but you can’t argue with results and so far the slots players seem to be making the model … not suck anyway. I need to set down and do the math to see exactly where I’m at but so far its been at least good enough to not make that a priority task.
.. I should also add that IMHO it wouldn’t really be fair of me to choose the summer months to be judging because honestly I cannot see any able-bodied person spending much time inside …. I mean in comparison to winter months … so of course gambling is going to be done less as well.
After reading Dice’s last post I realized it was him who has the 8 players and all I can say is that I truly hope my prediction comes true and you see a portion of your 8 players return to play again later in the year. I think its already been proven (at least to my satisfaction) that the new model is at least going to return similar results to the old model and plus (i think this is over-looked because I know I did at first) but there isn’t going to be any negative occurances which I realize right now wouldn’t make much difference to those having a bad month but consider if you do have some good months in the last of the year then at least you won’t have to worry thru the end of those months about losing your income to a big winner on the 29th or 30th.
Please understand since its my income too that is effected that I am certainly not going to side with RA (or anybody else) unless I truly think they have some merit to their madness.
Frankly I don’t kid myself. Of course it is unlikely that any program is going to shift things so to be against their favor but I do think that if you take into consideration that RA pays 35% out of the gate … that perhaps they realized they were really cutting things a little close and as such wanted to find a way to at least put themselves in a postion to get some of that back …. and still save face.
… now consider if you think I’m shilling for RA and that I’d pose such a scenario then you’re truly grasping at straws …
and I don’t know at all whether that is true but the point I’m making is that if I have to settle for making a little less than I was making from a program I feel I can trust … and at the same time in truth be just falling back to a % like I get from other programs ….. most in fact only pay about 25% (unless you’re making a lot for them and get bumped up) so if I end up making a little less than 35% then I’m not going to throw a fit about it.
that’s my situation
… looking at the person who was making $1000s and now making only $11 … I’d first say that often times I’ve been as worried about accounts only to have them catch up at the end of the month or else make up for it the following … so there is still that hope. And I think the real answer to your dilemma lies in a collection of the coming months which should if the RA new model is anything near fair … should get you back to making at least … what? 80% of the previous and if the model is really beneficial then you ought to see 100% plus.
that sound like a fair assessment of things?
please point out where I’m wrong – you sure aren’t going to hurt my feelings because I need to know since its my income at stake also.
I spoke to both Ryan and Renee about sticking with revenue share….
it seemed to slip both their minds..
as did my partner’s request to do the same, and appearantly the
conversation I sent him referring to the request was not sufficient proof.
Diceman wrote:Ryan, Ryan, Ryandont think I said anything about % but its ok, you know I am being shafted though so thanks for making that point by being defensive.
1294266 [$] 35-40 5/30/2005 7/16/2006 None $75,001-$100,000 $5,001-$10,000 $1,001-$5,000
How about just switching me back so I can get money from just this player. You can keep the rest.Let me see… and about my stats. I had LOTS of players and now only 4 active. Explain how in less than a year I lose almost all my players and go from making about 5k with them to making $11 in a month?
This post is particularly disturbing. I chatted with this affiliate via email and explained to him that he’s made $179 more on the wager model since the switch than he would have on the revshare model.
He writes back saying $179 is crap. Seemed to me that he didn’t understand that I meant $179 MORE on the wager … maybe he just thought $179 total or something? *shrug*.
I never heard back on the email… then I see this post here … obviously still indicating that you haven’t realized that if you were on the revshare model you’d have earned $179 less since april.
How is this person getting ripped off? They’ve earned more! *confused*
Not Amused wrote:I spoke to both Ryan and Renee about sticking with revenue share….it seemed to slip both their minds..
as did my partner’s request to do the same, and appearantly the
conversation I sent him referring to the request was not sufficient proof.
I’ve been trying not to address this issue for a variety if reasons. I guess I’ve been fortunate enough to catch you in a good mood when we chat on IM as you seem quite sensible. Your forum posts, however, are almost entirely negative and often groundless.
We did not steal/unmap your players when we did the cooks merger – I would give you proof of this, however eCogra stipulations and standard privacy ethics prevent me (cannot give out any player data) – and we did not ‘forget’ your request to opt-out of the wager model switch.
That said, since you seem to keep bringing it up … I will address it.
1. Every single affiliate who emailed us to opt-out of the switch to wager model has been recorded.
2. Everybody who requested to opt-out within the given time frame was opted-out. I’m sure if any body had been missed we’d have heard about it long before now.
3. You ask me about this 2.5 months after the fact. You tell me you think you’re on the wager model but that you think you opted out. I check and there is no record of your email and no record in the database where all the requests were logged.
4. I tell you, if you emailed we are happy to honor it. However, I have no record of your request and nothing to indicate that you did actually make the request. I said please resend the original email to me and I will honor it.
5. Neither you, nor your partner are able to locate or find this request.
6. We are left with no reason to believe that you actually made the request.
I don’t think any logical person would think this has been handled incorrectly on our part.
First I never said you stole any of our players….
I said it was very strange that all our players stopped playing day one after the takeover of the casino….
An affiliate that had earned over $1000 the month before …..
all of a sudden earned nothing.
This does not suprise me as much anymore..
I stopped playing after the takeover at the casino I played at everytime I deposited also, ( not only after the first takeover….but again after the Adriches takeover ) why I didn’t expect others would I don’t know.As far as the opt out.
It was my error not saving our conversations.
My loss.
Shoud have known better for sure.Ryan wrote:This post is particularly disturbing. I chatted with this affiliate via email and explained to him that he’s made $179 more on the wager model since the switch than he would have on the revshare model.He writes back saying $179 is crap. Seemed to me that he didn’t understand that I meant $179 MORE on the wager … maybe he just thought $179 total or something? *shrug*.
I never heard back on the email… then I see this post here … obviously still indicating that you haven’t realized that if you were on the revshare model you’d have earned $179 less since april.
How is this person getting ripped off? They’ve earned more! *confused*
Sorry for the long message but there is lots to cover.
Ryan you play this PR GAME pretty well I must say “I sent this affiliate an email”. Must be why you forgot about the things I requested that you said even before vegas you would have for me. I asked you in vegas and you did the liars look to the left and said “oh yeh! we will have that all ready to go when you get back. I called someone today and let them know to work on that for you”.
Everyone, I get back home and there is nothing. I emailed Ryan about it and he did not get back with me forever and then forgot. On top of that there was so much more I wanted to do with CR but he did not care deep down inside. Yeh some of you have it like that. The others that dont.. more than likely because you have the brass balls in your hand. Try to be the other guy and then I will support your claim that this is a “HONEST” affiliate program.WAIT! first how can any of you say they are honest when they will not let the people that are unhappy to go back to rev share? I did not get the email or even know this was going on. I dont want it and tell them that a few weeks later. YOU ALL think its ok that they say “oh well tough luck” ?!? or “go work for someone else” , “dont let the door hit you” Seriously? If so… Why? Dont any of you think that it should not be this way?
Anyone even really thought why they are so solid about this decision and policy? I can tell you why really quick.. They make more money with us this way bottom line. Funny thing also is that more players convert with this new modle. hmmmmWell let me ask one question about this new model.. Does it cover the stats of any games other than BJ, Slots and poker? If so why is it not listed in the stats? Im sure you do but if so…. where do I find those numbers?
Bottom line… Lets do this Ryan sence you seem so cool about getting things out in the open (when it works out for you) heres one for you… You keep going on and on about that one month, How about this month….? Better yet here ya go… How about you get the numbers together and do a “since the change” calculation on my account. I know for a flaming fact that I would have earned more in Rev share.. Should not be that hard to do.On top of all that there is still that issue where after you took over in just a few months I went from 88 wagered or wagering players or something crazy like that to now uh 4 active in less than a year. So how is this possible again? Will you tell me attrition?
Thank you Ryan,
1. Every single affiliate who emailed us to opt-out of the switch to wager model has been recorded.
2. Everybody who requested to opt-out within the given time frame was opted-out. I’m sure if any body had been missed we’d have heard about it long before now.
3. You ask me about this 2.5 months after the fact. You tell me you think you’re on the wager model but that you think you opted out. I check and there is no record of your email and no record in the database where all the requests were logged.
4. I tell you, if you emailed we are happy to honor it. However, I have no record of your request and nothing to indicate that you did actually make the request. I said please resend the original email to me and I will honor it.
5. Neither you, nor your partner are able to locate or find this request.
6. We are left with no reason to believe that you actually made the request.
I don’t think any logical person would think this has been handled incorrectly on our part.
Hmm so no one.. I mean no one is reading between the lines on this?
I wont even go into it.. Ill just let those that “know better” see the real picture here.
Ok ill give a hint… THEY REALLY WANT YOU TO BE IN THE NEW MODLE, HOW DAMN OBVIOUS IS THAT?
