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I agree with your statement 100%, Mr. Gooner.greek39 wrote:I agree know one can be 100% certain about anything these days. But I would like to know under which Law the U.S would prosecute an U.S based affiliate webmaster.
Hey Greek39,
Let’s face it who would think that a 1961 wire act would be brought out and dusted off and used to prosecute online internet gambling eh? (sportsbook and otherwise)I mean the idea of interconnected computers was 30 years away at te time that bill was passed – but it HAS been quoted and used to arrest people so far ….
:tooconfusNext there’ll be reference to some 1854 statute on illegal smoke signals …
:devil:No-one knows what the interpretation will be taken as by authorities. This area is grey – and we will see far more informed comment in the next weeks and months – so we should watch and wait.
Many more factors to be discussed. Ban online gambling webmasters based in the U.S and this would bring forth a legal prescedent of unemaginable proportions. But thats all for now I am exhausted.
have a great weekend fellas!!
greek39
Actually the idea of interconnected computers came only 8 years after the Wire Act in 1969. I believe it was called ARPANET. Greek you can correct me if I’m wrong on this. The www version of the Internet is what came about in the early 90’s.
To the point of aiding and abetting. If you read the first post in this thread (thanks Dom, it’s quite informative), you see that this current legislations fails to make anything illegal that wasn’t illegal already. So, what exactly would a US based webmaster be aiding and abetting?
Furthermore, to the articles point about jurisdiction, if you are hosting your site on a server outside of the US, then apparently there isn’t a problem, the bill seems to state that the honus is on US ISPs to police the sites they are hosting. Finally, how does this even matter if the sites that you are linking to aren’t explicitly illegal anyway? At worst, online sportsbooks are illegal, but that still has yet to be proven.
All good points and I guess only time will tell.
Hope there are programs left to promote though! Email stays full:
Unfortunately, due to the introduction of new legislation regarding internet gambling in the US, “Fill in the blank” will no longer be able to accept any new US based players.
current legislations fails to make anything illegal that wasn’t illegal already. So, what exactly would a US based webmaster be aiding and abetting?
The legislation makes a new crime of accepting US citizen money for the purposes of internet gambling, with a few exceptions (lottery, US approved horse racing).
I can see certain prosecutors attempting to charge advertisers/affiliates with aiding & abetting the money process by providing the original link to these sites, although that still sounds iffy to me if the money was a flat fee up front. Even moreso, I can see them doing the same with the accepting money part if it involves sharing revenue in any way – CPA or otherwise.
Affiliates on revenue share are accepting 30%, 40% (whatever the amount is the program gives you) of the newly illegal US money. The only way I can see around this is if the sites start giving out prizes instead of money that has to travel through the banking system for both the players & affiliates. This would not work for casino games – only poker tournaments probably. And I’m not even sure that would be legal – just something off the top of my head. For someone like the Professor, they would probably have to pay him with land
The article covers the perspective of the online gambler well – probably nothing has changed legally for them. What it means in real terms though for a good poker player is entirely up to Neteller. I don’t have much doubt that the pool of US Party Poker players will find a good alternative to play at. But if Neteller & similar sites are no longer an option, there are not going to be enough fish to make it worthwhile.
This law screws the US affiliates in every way . Either you will live in fear of being prosecuted, or the majority of the market has vanished overnight. And I would say even if you are unafraid of prosecution, if the second thing happens it may make you wonder if the risk is worth it then.
Good post webber as usual I wish I had the talent to better convey the message. In any case, I will latter today post information about the internet. A general historical account it may be interesting.
For instance the very first connection ever made by computers was way back in 1965. Thomas Merrill and Roberts used a TX computer( a machine for manipulating data according do a predetermined set of instructions, a program) and a Q-32 ( low speed dial up line via telephone). The www thing took shape in 1980. The idea of of having interconnected computers dares back to 1962 by DARPRA (defense Advanced Research Projects Agency).
But for now something to think about. U.S based affiliates receive no monies directly from their site. The commisions received good through a third party.
greek39
Computing devices can be traced back all the back to Ancient times. Aristotle perhaps being the first creating a device known as the Aristotelian Sphere. A device used to predict future movements of the planets. In the early 20th century during World War II the U.S military needed a good code breaker. The first computer as we no them today was born, enigma.
Debugging a term developed during WWII when a moth got trapped in a relay switch on the Mark 3 computer.
As computing devices evolved such as calculators etc… Questions were being asked could computers be used for other things besides crunching numbers? JCR Licklider from MIT in 1962 idealized the concept he called the “Galactic Network”. Would it be possible to globally connect computing devices for military or scientific purposes? Later that year he had managed to convince DARPA (Defence Advanced Research Project Agency) to develop this concept further. Experiments with this radical idea have already been taking place. 1961 Leonard Kleinrock was conducting experiment with “packet switching”. A technique used that divides messages into smaller units then reassembles those units into their original form.
Three years had passed with little interests until 1965. Thomas Merrill and Roberts managed to connect a TX2 computer to a Q-32 (low speed dial up line, phone line) and transmit data over the phone line. However, the desired results were never achieved.
1972 a fellow by the name of Kahn decided he would improve on this current system. Instead he developed a newer protocol for transmitting packets. A open end architecture network environment called TCP (Transmission Control Protocol) and IP (Internet Protocol). By doing so he could further develope the theory :
1. Networks should be stand alone.
2. Each packet failure would be resent.
3. Networks would be connected by black boxes.
4. No Global Control (important)But the key issues were:
1. Algorithms must be used to prevent packets from not being resent
2. A host to host connection is a must for Pipelining (giving the networks the ability to send multiple packets at once)
3. A Gateway Function was needed to forward packets and interpreting the IP header for routing purposes (important the IP determines how you packet gets routed)Mission accomplished the Internet is born and functions as it should. Things really began to change in the early part of 1980. The spread of Lans , Pc’s and workstations challenged the capabilities of routing packets. Basically an Internet overflow something that had not been anticipated. People began buying up PC’s as prices dropped and began accessing other people computers for whatever.
This is the Internet a Unix based system used to communicate between computers. The World Wide Web is an entirely different story.
There is a part two is anyone find this valuable. The www part of thing is where the problems really begin.
greek39
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