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Is anyone else annoyed by Itay’s numerous one-line posts? His interest in so many different topics doesn’t seem genuine — to me it seems as if he’s only posting to increase the number of backlinks to B4screwing™.
Examples:
http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.com/bb/showthread.php?p=137683#post137683
http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.com/bb/showthread.php?p=137682#post137682
Actually if you just “view all” of his recent posts you can pretty much see what I’m talking about:
http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.com/bb/search.php?searchid=403095
I wonder if he’s as annoying in person? :rolleyes:
No he is just being helpfull :roflmao:
Yes, I too am annoyed by his many minimalist one line posts.
But too be honest, I’m not exactly crazy about his elaborate multi line posts either.
I’m not enthralled with anything about the man/boy/whatever. I think his product will screw a lot of us and I think that it is designed for this purpose (somewhat). To clarify, I think it is to help out Playtech casinos and Black Hat affiliates. Which will, in turn, screw us.
Even if CPays is no longer promoted, their ‘organization’ owns a lot more than just the CPays casinos, correct?? I wonder if Casino Partners (oops, Euro Partners) will be next on their list?
Basically the problem is:
1. Most everyone despises B4Playing.
2. Most people dont like Itay due to his past associations.
3. Several senior members are commited to burning Itay and B4Playing. Thats not just here he gets hit with rotten tomatos wherever he goes.My problems are the following:
1. We acquired the Gambling Webmaster School domain and content. We thought this made sense as a way to pick up some additional content for CAP 2.0.
2. Part of the terms of that purchase was that Itay would have a spot for B4Playing here at CAP. No one says anyone has to join the damned program. I havent and wouldnt, but its presence seems to be irritating people.
3. We required that he make a minimum number of useful posts at CAP and help newbies. When we put this clause into the purchase we honestly didnt know that there was this “black hatter” skeleton hanging in his closet.
I got after Itay because he wasnt posting and interacting as we had agreed. I didnt want him just shilling for B4Playing so I specifically asked him to join in on other conversations and be a normal member who shares his opinions.
His short posts are probably reflective of that conversation and as a result I am partly to blame for this.I can ask him to cut out the short posts but really he’s no more guilty of this then a lot of other pollies who chime in on conversations without adding anything of value. Where do we draw the line?
Guys I think the fact that many of you just dont like him is making you ultra sensitive to everything he does.
He’s not my favorite person in the world either, but I hate to throw someone out of the community just for that. Yes, if he was beligerent or fought with other members or busted Dom or my balls publically I would cut him off at the ankles. But hes not doing any of that. He’s just basically there and that pisses people off.
Is there any way we can all just get along and look at Itay as a village idiot we see on the corner but ignore? Or am I going to be haunted until we cast him into the lake in chains?
KW all Playtechs will be on their list as all playtechs do CPA deals. 888 will be also as will Party. Probably anyone who does CPA will be offered via B4Playing as that’s the model they are designed around.
I know none of these programs are on your Christmas Card list, but a HUGE number of affiliates do work with these programs. Hell until Playtech dropped US players they were my number 2 producer behind Microgaming. The two platforms led everyone else by a very wide margin, it wasnt even a horse race. None of us were crazy about all the affiliates that worked with Playtech properties but everyone liked the software and for the most part they did pay affiliates and players.
@Professor 137697 wrote:
Or am I going to be haunted until we cast him into the lake in chains?
I have a very large pond that is chuckfull of very large, very hungry catfish. :tongue:
The only Playtech that behaved decently when UIGEA came about was Blasters, at least they mapped our players over to Golden trying to keep things going for us. The rest threw us in the wind.
All the playtechs and 888 are search engine spammers extraordinaire.
So they don’t score with me.
As far as Itay goes, long as he behaves himself… he made a few useful posts, I wish he’d stick to that.
I kinda never forgave Playtech either for turning their backs on the US and as a result I dont actively promote them anymore.
But prior to that I was making big bucks with several of them (Euro Partners, Casino Blasters) and I know a few others were too. Randy you did well with Playtech, no?
Yeah, I was rocking and rolling at Golden Palace. I did allright with CasinoPartners too, for that matter. But don’t get me started on those CasinoPays jackasses.
I also don’t mind treating Itay like the village idiot. I kinda figured everyone was already doing that anyway. :wink-wink
I see it differently I guess, I dont mind Itay as I talked to him a few times via chat, the product though I despise as it has too many holes as far as retention to the person who signs people up to it, almost like selling your hose for $500 while the buyer promises you can live there forever, dont worry. Then where do we stand if this got huge? I dont think it will because most affiliates are too smart for CPA, but the mass effect of black hat spammers is my concern.. Although there are a LOT of catfish in the old pond
Then, as far as the short posts, they look like forced posts, ie prof told him to interact and he does, and it shows. My one liners are from the heart
@Professor 137700 wrote:
KW all Playtechs will be on their list as all playtechs do CPA deals. 888 will be also as will Party. Probably anyone who does CPA will be offered via B4Playing as that’s the model they are designed around.
I know none of these programs are on your Christmas Card list, but a HUGE number of affiliates do work with these programs. Hell until Playtech dropped US players they were my number 2 producer behind Microgaming. The two platforms led everyone else by a very wide margin, it wasnt even a horse race. None of us were crazy about all the affiliates that worked with Playtech properties but everyone liked the software and for the most part they did pay affiliates and players.
Yeah, I know
I think that if B4Spamming decided to do business with only Betfred or someone of equal integrity, I would not have as big of an issue. I would STILL have an issue, though, because of all the blackhattting in the past.I just want him off CAP because I think it makes the accreditation seem a bit… um…. bought and paid for.
Sorry for that comment, but I am just being honest. I hate saying that too, trust me, because I LOVE being a member at CAP and I really like Lou and the whole business of CAP in general. However – in all honesty, CPays, Euro Partners, B4Playing, and all the likes make certification seem like more of a joke than a certification.
Just my 5 cents.
Thanks for the feedback Andy. I know thats how you feel and we do our best to ensure that we dont certify rogue programs. When a program gets to be unresponsive or is just clearly headed in the wrong direction with players or affiliates we do de-certify it.
That being said its important to remember this and its something we dont hide. CAP is a business not a charity or non profit association. We DO charge the programs for access to the community. I make no appologies for that.
The reality is it costs a lot of money to keep CAP going. We have a rather large staff and we all have families to feed. It also takes money to produce events and magazines and provide them for no cost to all our affiliate members. I know everyone assumes everything we do is a cash cow, but its not. We have spent tens of thousands of dollars getting Affiliate SpeedPay set up and running, yes we hope to recoup those costs somewhere down the road, but for now it was a major cash outlay to get rolling.
Because of the legal enviroment CAP Spring Break cost us over $90,000 this year. In the past we had more program support and even though 2006 Spring Break had over 400 attendees the net costs to CAP were under $20,000. We dont have to spend that money, but we do it as a thank you to the affiliates and programs that support us the rest of the year.
We make money and we give back. I think thats what responsible corporate citizens do. And again nothing is done to obscure that.
The fact is if we ONLY brought on Affiliate Programs that everyone was 100% on board with we would have less then half of what we do now and that equals 50% operating funds. That wont work and wont allow us to do the things we need and want to do.
Look at it this way, when you go a restaurant you are NOT going to like everything on the menu. You dont storm out because Liver and Onions makes the diner seem like they will sell anything and it cheapens their integrity. You order what you do like.
Remember we are all business owners and we have a right to do what we want with our sites. I dont examine each and every casino you work with. I dont presume to decide whats right for your business and I DONT JUDGE you based on your choices. I can guarantee if you or I went to everyones site we would find at least one casino or poker room we DIDNT like. And we might ask ourselves “What the hell are they thinking?” but that wouldnt be right would it? Would you want someone else to scrutinize everything you do with Affiliate Guard Dog and hold it up against some sort of yardstick or say your business model is a joke?
I have news for you if you get enough traction in the market and sign up enough members that WILL happen. And when it does you will have a better appreciation of what CAP or GPWA faces when these issues crop up and how it makes you as a person feel when a friend says something like that.
My ten cents.
I understand completely. It just sucks eggs that B4 is here when they are the 1 organization that could quickly drain a lot of our income. And they could do it ALL with BH affiliates.
The problem with having them here is the ‘visibility’ they get with CAP. I would rather them have zero visibility
Tell you what. Let me see what we can do. If Itay will accept a cash payment for his domain and content rather then a bartered exchange of placement on CAP will you at least split the costs with me to buy out the deal?
Not to mention Harvey aka Jason being onboard now too! He called me the other day and gave me all kinds of lies about Clubworld and Jonathon and hell I have no problem with peps telling me their side of the story even if I don’t give a shit but this guy is slime and was just out right making up lies about why he left!
