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From: CasinoRewards
To: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXx
Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 10:00 PM
Subject: Brian, get the VIP treatment you deserveThis email was sent to you by CasinoRewards. To ensure delivery to your inbox (not bulk or junk folders), please add [email protected] to your address book.
Is the above advertisement sent by CasinoRewards and/or by a marketing agency working on your behalf?Hey arkyt
Since you’re in the US, this would be a third party marketing company.
Cheers
ReneeHired by CasinoRewards?
Yes, they would be running a campaign on behalf of us. That’s how the third party marketing companies work.
I know how they work Renee – I just wanted to you to spell it out. Fact is its 100% SPAM !!!!
@arkyt 242304 wrote:
I know how they work Renee – I just wanted to you to spell it out. Fact is its 100% SPAM !!!!
Yes it is, third party would need to have casino rewards send it under the casinorewards email the affiliate submitted the email address to otherwise it is 100% spam. Also the third party now has access to confidential user data that was (not 100% sure) not supposed to be shared according to the user agreement.
Either way it SPAM and illegal.
I have explained this on my blog :
Rewards Affiliates Scam : Players Base Compromized | Rogue Casino Programs
the blog covers almost all the things you need to know about rewards affiliates.
the latest addition is also added.
Third party companies do NOT have access to OUR data. We hire them to send to THEIR OWN DATA.
We do not have access to their data either, which is why you got the email arkyt. We know you’re in the US and can’t take up the offers so if it was from us, you would not have received it.
It has been explained multiple times that these companies use our servers when sending. This is no secret. This does not mean any data has been compromised. You guys are just fishing for trouble.
If you guys are going to just post this stuff to “set me up”, I won’t respond anymore.
When did affiliates become children? I’m not a babysitter. I’m an affiliate manager. Stop wasting my time please.
@Renee 242330 wrote:
Third party companies do NOT have access to OUR data. We hire them to send to THEIR OWN DATA.
We do not have access to their data either, which is why you got the email arkyt. We know you’re in the US and can’t take up the offers so if it was from us, you would not have received it.
It has been explained multiple times that these companies use our servers when sending. This is no secret. This does not mean any data has been compromised. You guys are just fishing for trouble.
If you guys are going to just post this stuff to “set me up”, I won’t respond anymore.
When did affiliates become children? I’m not a babysitter. I’m an affiliate manager. Stop wasting my time please.
I received SPAM promoting CasinoRewards and posted a simple question and now I am a child?
Where did that come from? I didn’t post my question to set you up, I just wanted to verify who was responsible for the SPAM I was getting. Sorry I didn’t set out to offend you either, but if thats the case so be it – I despise SPAM and any other unethical tactics that companies use to get ahead! I havent kept up with any of that on the above blog, but if half of its true all I can say is “oh my” …
@arkyt 242304 wrote:
I know how they work Renee – I just wanted to you to spell it out.
This is what I was referring to..
If you are being spammed, please forward me the spam and I will ensure that it is taken care of. Otherwise, I don’t see a point making me publicly “spell it out”. The only thing you accomplished by posting the above quote was to allow 2 other affiliates to post negatively towards the group, one with some incorrect information and the other with a flame that was totally unneccesary and unrelated to the original post.
You knew it was spam when you posted it. So forward it to me and let me deal with it rather than trying to make me look like an idiot. Thanks.Either way if CR is paying a third party to spam then I guess thats the same no? Did the affiliates all sign up to mycrewards.com to get email offers? I bet not.
I am glad to hear that at least CR did not give out the mailing list.
Got another SPAM today from [email protected] … this time advertising Zodiac Casino!
I clicked the unsubscribe link AGAIN and emailed a link that was in the email that says “Report any email abuse.” … casinorewards.com replied saying >
Quote:“Unfortunately and with deep regret, it is not possible for us to isolate where your details were obtained. However we can disclose that somewhere along the line you signed up or registered your details with a service and agreed (or choose not to disagree) to the use of your personal information. All we can suggest is perhaps trying to back track to any companies that you recently registered with and check their privacy statement policy.”How can casinorewards support ( [email protected] ) disclose that somewhere along the lines I signed up or registered my details specially if this is being done by a supposed 3rd party?
What I suggest is that you STOP SPAMMING!
I NEVER signed up to get the emails and I have NEVER used this email for anything related to online gaming – NEVER!
Is this one internal too?
Grand Hotel Casino < [email protected] >
Hey Arkyt, I am actually a bulk email affiliate myself, so I know what is happening here. This is going to be very high level so hopefully everyone will follow. Regardless of how you feel about bulk email chances are this is not SPAM but actually 100% compliant.
Somewhere, doesn’t have to be with a CR or even any other related casino, but somewhere online you have submitted your email address and opted into a site that distributes its users email address to emailers such as myself to monetize their database. No other personal information is given, typically just email, ip address, and the date and url of the privacy policy of the site you subscribed to. Once I have this information I use a third party to append your personally identifiable information such as your purchase behavior or any other information that has been collected about you from a wide range of sites to identify you as someone that visits gaming/gambling related sites. Based on widely accepted interpretations of the CAN-SPAM Act the sender is 100% compliant as long as the privacy policy states something along the lines of:“When you complete a registration or offer form that is hosted by one of our website publisher partners on our behalf, the website publisher partner may submit all or a portion of the information that you submitted on the form to the Company. This information may include, but is not limited to: your IP address, e-mail address, name, mailing address, telephone number, date of birth, gender, and payment information; information about your background, interests, health, education, career goals, and shopping preferences; and any other information you provide to our website publisher partner.
We may receive information about you, including but not limited to your IP address, e-mail address, first name, last name, mailing address, and telephone number, from third party marketing partners that provide us with consumer data to manage on their behalf.Marketing Partners
We may share, license or sell your information to third parties for various marketing purposes, including their online (e.g., e-mail marketing) and offline (e.g., telemarketing, cell phone text messaging, skip tracing, and direct mail) marketing programs. With respect to telemarketing in particular, you authorize us and our third-party marketing partners to call your landline telephone and/or cell phone (if provided) and you understand that your wireless carrier’s standard rates may apply to any calls to your cell phone.
Data Enhancement/Appending/Validation
We may use third party service providers to enhance our database with additional elements, including but not limited to age ranges present in your household, whether you own or rent a home, the length of time you have lived at your residence, whether you are a mail order buyer or responder, household income, and gender. Further, we may use third party service providers to append telephone numbers to other data points we have in our database. We also may use third party service providers to validate the data we have in our database.
Additionally, we may share, license or sell your information to third parties for use in their data validation, enhancement, information verification services, and, to the extent permitted by law, individual reference or look-up services.those pieces of information are all the mailer need to have to be completely 100% Due to some very creative enhancements in advertising tracking and cookie tracing your”
Chances are somewhere you have given your email and opted into a site with a similar privacy policy and then they have gathered that you visit gaming sites and are now sending you these offers. The fact that you are in the US and they are sending you CR offers means that the emailer is lazy and doesn’t segment lists based on geo location, but it does not mean that it is spam. This also explains why the unsubscribe request to [email protected] returned the response that it did. They really probably do not know where you subscribed and therefore cannot unsubscribe you.
Hopefully this insight helps.
While compliant bulk email affiliates are not as common in the igaming niche of the Affiliate Space, out side of iGaming they are some of the largest Affiliates in the world. Many reaching over $25-$50million per year.
