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Something is really going on with income access. Player stats
and the income that everyone is genterating. I think they
are playing with many of the affiliates stats. I have been
observing them for couple month now and in my conclusion,
this place is not legit.
Income access just displays the stats as they are pumped in from the various programs. I doubt they would mess with stats, they have nothing to gain.
I am stumped with my Absolute stats this month. Nice deposits last month, reasonable show this month, lousy comission. Where did all those deposits go? Are they sitting in accounts not being played?
My stats for Income Access hasn’t updated in the last few days.
I’ve noticed that I get about 2.3 cents per hand played on Absolute. Not sure if this is good or bad. I’ll check other rooms and see about there. What are you guys/gals averaging per hand played?
doodle2576 wrote:I’ve noticed that I get about 2.3 cents per hand played on Absolute. Not sure if this is good or bad. I’ll check other rooms and see about there. What are you guys/gals averaging per hand played?This is something that I brought up a couple of months ago.
Contrary to the terms and conditions set forth, Revenue is actually being calculated some other way.
2.6 “Net Revenue” is calculated as the sum total of all players’ contribution to all “rakes” the players were involved in while playing at Absolute Poker, minus chargebacks, rake contributions by prop players or any uncollectable revenue attributable to the Player. Moreover, a Player’s contribution to the “rakes” shall be determined as the quotient obtained when dividing the actual amount of each rake to which the Player had contributed divided by the total number of players at the table at the start of the hand. So, if the rake in a hand with ten players at the table is three dollars ($3.00), each player’s contribution to the rake will be thirty cents ($0.30).
Our players currently accrue $.095 of revenue per hand played.
To test your stats, run an ‘Accounts Report’, and for each account listed just take total Revenue reported, and divide by # of hands reported. When I do this, every single figure is near $.095 per hand. There will be some deviation from this # due to the fact that a player can earn revenue via Tournament Fees. I have several players who do not play tournaments at all, and their Revenue/hand calculation comes to precisely $.095/hand.
Revenue has been calculated this way since AP has been working with IncomeAccess. All I’m asking is that the Terms and Conditions match up with reality.
:nervous:
Currently, we earn the same commission from a .02/.04 player as we do a $50/100 player. That seems somewhat … broken, to me. :eh:
Scandle5 wrote:Something is really going on with income access. Player stats and the income that everyone is genterating. I think they are playing with many of the affiliates stats. I have been observing them for couple month now and in my conclusion, this place is not legit.We don’t tamper with stats, period.
We definitely understand how important it is for affiliates to have access to accurate stats when they need them and all of the merchants in Income Access are held to high standards when it comes to timely and accurate reporting.
If for whatever reason there is an unforeseen delay getting data from them, we do our best to help resolve the situation ASAP. Of course the same goes if ever the cause of the delay is on our end. :lookaroun
MrMcGee wrote:Contrary to the terms and conditions set forth, Revenue is actually being calculated some other way.If anyone has any questions about their AP stats, or how they are calculated, feel free to write to [email protected] so you can get help on an individual basis.
Hi daniel. I was wondering why then I don’t get any emails back from you guys and why, when I had close to 500 members under me in Sandpiper Casino, I can’t even see one deposiiting player. I mean, I had your Casino on the $7 sign up offer for a long time and I can’t even see any type of stats from Sandpiper & absolute poker at all. If what your saying is true, then how come last month, you guys had to fix everyones stats ? telling us that the numbers have not been rounded off. If the stats were working 100%, then it would have done it.I had many, and I do mean many that signed up
under me at Casino Webcam and can’t see anything.
It’s been month and month. Usually on the new
Casinos that comes out, I do get depositing players. Only
for those Casinos that has been around for awhile that
I know that I can’t generate more income but for Casino
Webcam and Sandpiper Casino, I had you guys when it
first came out and can’t even see who registered or how
many downloaded. It’s saying on my stats, 4 or 8 registered.
What is this about??? The numbers should be couple hundreds.p.s: I have just checked my stats and I have 36 registered for
Sandpiper Casino. I suggest you have to check my stats again.
I know I had way more then couple hundreds that signed up
from me with Sandpiper Casino income access. 36 registered
is no way because I was the first one from ezboard to put
this out to the members and 36 registered can’t compare
from thousands of members on the boards.Hi Danielb,
rather than make all of us go write an email (separately mind you, which would be a lot of emails to answer), why not go ahead and make a public statement here so that the afore mentioned won’t be necessary?
I too, would like to know, especially about the
same commission from a .02/.04 player as we do a $50/100 player. That seems somewhat … broken, to me.
that’s more than broken, because if it is true then it was never right in the first place.
I don’t persue the poker niche as much as some others do, but I do dabble in it. It was always my understanding that we as affs make a % of the rake that is paid by the players we send. But I took that to mean that the players who won the hand, were paying the rake.
And exactly how does the poker room make its money in respect to the size of the player’s stakes involved? I mean; is there a set price which is to rent the use of the table and that set price is the same whether you want to play at $1 stakes or at $100 stakes?
Or does the poker room make more money from the larger stake players because it charges them more to sit at a table than the small stakes players?
What we as partners rightfully deserve is a % of the amount of money that is earned from the players we send.
So if the poker room makes more money from larger stakes players, then we should be paid in compensation for that fact.
So please tell me Danielb, is that the case with your poker rooms?
MrMcGee,
I checked my stats for the last 6 months. You are absolutely correct. This definately needs clarification from Absolute Poker. I, too, get 2.3 cents for every hand played by all players.Guys, Absolute poker is not with Income Access anymore.
That is why you need to use the address [email protected] to ask your question. At this time they are not an individual CAP program, and I have no idea if they will be in future.
Sandpiper is a new Casino at Income Access and I don’t promote it – Scandle, if you have 500 members under you in such a short time you must be doing something very right.
I have promoted Casino Webcam for years and have no problems with it – ever. I trust both Income Access and Webcam implicitly.
Hi,
perhaps someone should send a letter and just copy what we’ve written in here; and pass it along to Ab poker?
I’ll do it if nobody else wants to; but I imagine those with more to lose would want to be in charge of this rather than leave it to someone who has little involved.
Either way though, let me know. Feel free to sign my name to the letter if someone else sends it.
Didn’t mean to avoid the question guys, but we needed to check with AP before we could give any details.
Generally, Poker sites calculate the rake by dividing the total rake for the hand by the number of players involved in the hand. You’re right bb1webs that the winning player is the one who pays the rake in the sense that it comes out of the total pot that they win, but the revenue is split by the number of players in the hand. Some Poker sites may vary a little bit in the what they consider “involved in the hand” and you can check with the aff managers of the other various programs you promote, but generally that’s it.
At UB for example, if a player sees the flop, they are considered in the hand. So if the pot is $100 and the rake is $5, then if there are ten players in the hand, each player generates $0.50 in rake.
AP made an internal decision to use a flat amount of $0.095 rake per hand, which represented the average player. We have discussed this issue with AP and we have been told that they will be changing to the above mentioned structure starting August 1st when they move their program in house.
I hope that clarifies things a little and sorry again MrMcGee if you didn’t get a satisfactory answer to your question the first time.
If anyone has any questions about rake with UB or any of the new Poker clients that will be popping up in Income Access over the next little while, contact me anytime.
I definitely appreciate you digging a little deeper and providing us with clarification, Daniel.
And just for the record, we’ve been very happy with the relationship we’ve had with IncomeAccess to this point, and are looking forward to the new poker sites you’ll be working with soon. :happy:
I have emailed you daniel. Wish income access can make upfor the pass times, but some things can’t be made up.
This is how we loose trust on a Casino. :hmmm:
but, anyhow, I have emailed you and would like an
answer.
Thanks.
