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I’ve had two home-page link exchange requests last night and realised the amount of links at the bottom of my page is building up. At the moment there is just 7, but i’ve put an extra 3 “Add link here” type links to let other webmasters know that I accept home-page links.
6 of the current 7 are themed links, and I check to make sure the webmasters aren’t cheating every fortnight.
So, in total there will be 10 outbound links from my home page. That will be the maximum unless my PR or traffic grows. Is 10 too much, or acceptable in your opinions? Also, when looking for links do you care if the other page has got a gazillion other links as well?
Nobody knows but the shadow………
Seriously, though, I’ve heard 10 outgoing links on your index page should be the max.
But I see a zillion casino sites with a zillion outgoing links, and they seem to be holding up in both PR and SERPs, so I am very interested in the answer to your question, too.
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I would move it to another section and not use the home page
“Is 10 too much, or acceptable in your opinions?”
For most anybody ten is way too much. A domain of under 200 pages, with a PR6+ main page, ten could be okay. Any domain bigger or PR5- is cutting its own throat.
“Also, when looking for links do you care if the other page has got a gazillion other links as well?”
You better! Getting a link on a page with a gazillion links on it is close to worthless, unless the page is more than two PR points higher than you, or a really high-quality themed site.
Whatever pagerank a page has, say it is is worth a value of 100 soldiers. You are able to send the value of 85 soldiers to other pages (without hurtingyour 100 value). If a page has 90 links on it, each linked to page is getting less than 1 soldier.
On the other hand, if you have 25 links on your main page, and ten of those go off domain, then you only send 15/25ths of your available 85 soldiers to defend your own domain.
Linking out is very important to define the nature of your domain, but at best it should be a PR wash and likely will lead to a significant loss (because all links to and from your page get diminished by that 85% dampening effect).
(Pages with a gazillion links should be avoided anyway since just by volume there is a good chance they link to bad neighborhood sites.)
Linking out is very important to define the nature of your domain, but at best it should be a PR wash and likely will lead to a significant loss (because all links to and from your page get diminished by that 85% dampening effect).
I have to disagree with you there.
Say I link to 10 other pages, my internal pages will suffer a PR loss (let’s assume I care about PR), but I would also have an extra 10 pages linking to me which would effectively boost my PR. So basically, my PR would only suffer a minor loss at the very worst.
But having an extra 10 links to my site with my targeted keywords in the anchor text, then my site would get a boost in the search engines – at least in google.
To go off topic:
Now – as for PR I don’t care much about it. I believe having a PR4 and having 30 links with anchor text “keyword 1 keyword2” is better than having a PR10 with 10,000 links with the anchor text “click here”. That said, since most people believe PR is of worth I do check mine and other pages PR. That’s my opinion and so far it’s working out pretty well. But this is not the question I have asked.“Say I link to 10 other pages, my internal pages will suffer a PR loss (let’s assume I care about PR), but I would also have an extra 10 pages linking to me which would effectively boost my PR. So basically, my PR would only suffer a minor loss at the very worst.”
PR is about pages not sites, so you linking to another page that links back to you will have the exact same effect — so far as your link is concerned — as if you linked to one of your own interior pages that linked back to you. Except the link power you send to your subpage will basically 85 divided by the number of links you have on the main page. Suppose you have 20 links on your main page, that means the main page with a value of 100 sends about a value of 4 to your subpage. Now the subpage links back to the main page, but it only has about 85% of 4 as its link power, so if it also has about twenty links on the page, the amount of link power you send back to the main page is well under 1.
Even if you were just talking about one link on each page, you give 85 to one page, the subpage gives back about 72 in terms of link power (85% of 85). So, there is significant dissipation in link power.
But again, in terms of PR, it doesn’t make any difference if a link goes off domain or to your subpages.
In other words, trading links for PR purposes is pointless. Nothing is accomplished (unless you swap with a page that gives you more PR than you give it).
“But having an extra 10 links to my site with my targeted keywords in the anchor text, then my site would get a boost in the search engines – at least in google.”
Yes anchor text is a completely different issue. However, again if you just link to ten of your own pages, and link back to your own main page with the anchor text you want, it’s the same thing. And it is a helluva lot easier to police yourself to make sure the anchor text says what you want.
Anchor text and PR are basically the same, but the one thing very different in terms of links to and from other domains is that links within your own domain are all more or less defined the same. If you have 100 internal links that help a search engine understand a domain is about gambling, adding 10 more internal ones is just repeating the message. In contrast, if you get ten links that offer “new messages”, that reinforces to the engine what you already told it. In other words, it is one thing for you to say 100 or 110 times that your domain is about gambling, but if Got2bet, WizardofOdds, Winner Online and seven other domains the engine knows is about gambling pile on and say “yes, this domain is about gambling”, that is a big help.
“Now – as for PR I don’t care much about it. I believe having a PR4 and having 30 links with anchor text “keyword 1 keyword2” is better than having a PR10 with 10,000 links with the anchor text “click here”. That said, since most people believe PR is of worth I do check mine and other pages PR. That’s my opinion and so far it’s working out pretty well. But this is not the question I have asked.”
I’ll take the 10,000 links any day, and its not close at all. Give me the PR10 and and I’ll make 100,000 pages with targeted anchor text on every gambling topic under the sun and rule every single search result there is.
Thanks very much for the info, Classics. :bigsmile: You don’t know how much all the information you have shared has helped to clarify things, and steer me in the right direction.
Don’t the SE’s give more weight to links from other domains?
No difference at all in terms of pagerank.
This is going offtopic but i’m still interested in what you have to say.
In terms of page rank I know it does not matter from where the link is comming from.
But if I have a link from yoursite to mysiteA with the text “keyword1 keyword2” it’s better than having a link from mysiteA to mysiteB with text “keyword1 keyword2”. I’ve always been under the impression that links have more weighting (in terms of SE ranking not PR) than if the link came from my own site.
You definitely can’t generalize that, since I’d be pretty certain a link from the IRS main page to one of its interior pages saying “Form 1040” would carry more weight than a link from this thread saying “Form 1040”. On the other hand, there is a good chance that a link from Winner Online main page to an interior page on Got2bet might carry more weight than a link from the Got2bet main page would to its own interior page. But I doubt the difference is hugely significant. We have no way of knowing that for sure though.
There is no doubt though that good link text from a good page on another good domain is a good thing.
However, the more you make your own domain a quality one, the more like the IRS example you become. It may be that links from other peer domains are better, but if you make a great domain, then very few other domains will be able to offer anything better than you can offer yourself.
