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You all probably saw my post earlier today asking about being comped for the CAC. My pass is already being comped by CPS, but as of now, I am still paying for my own hotel room and flight. Which is no problem; I have the money — but I figured I would ask one of my better-performing programs about this to see if they’d cover it for me.
So, I emailed Henry from Vegas Affiliates. I asked him if he would be in Vegas, told him I’d like to meet him and talk for a while, and then I asked him what he thought about covering my hotel and flight. I gave him my affiliate ID and I mentioned how much I bring in to VA each month, so that he could make an educated decision (you know, because obviously no program is going to comp an affiliate who can’t bring in the $$$).
Henry responded and told me that VA wouldn’t be at the CAC this year, and as a result, they couldn’t do anything for me.
Okay… thanks… I guess they can’t even reimburse me if I fax them a copy of the receipts?
I take home a fair amount with VA every month (mid to high 4 figures), so I don’t think this was an unreasonable request. Right? I wonder if I would have gotten the same response if I was taking home $50,000/mo from their program?
I was going to increase their exposure next month if they did this for me. Now, though, I’m thinking I might pull them down completely. Here’s why:
(1) The 25% commission rate sucks compared to other programs where I can earn 30% and 35% right away.
(2) They take forever to get the payments out; they actually broke their T&Cs in February of this year.
(3) Banners haven’t been updated in ages.
(4) Henry acts like a dick most of the time. I’m reminded of the time he and Fred (AmCan) got into it when Henry threatened to close Fred’s account…. I’m also reminded of the time Randy (kidd75219) asked him a question about the new games, and Henry told him to contact the casino support team, because it was a “player” issue. Seriously, does this guy have any idea how badly he is damaging the business?And what is this about VA not going to the CAC this year? This seems very odd to me; the CAC is one of THE events of the year — how can they afford to miss it?
End of rant.
That’s insane.. I mentioned that I am sponsored for both hotel and CAC pass. I do not pull in mid to high numbers for any program.
In fact, I pull in an average of: $3200 / month for the program that sponsored me and I am quite confident they would have paid for flight as well had I requested it.
I thought about promoting Vegas Affiliates – but after those threads that you mentioned, I decided against it. I don’t want to deal with Henry and his strange attitude.
Engineer wrote:(1) The 25% commission rate sucks compared to other programs where I can earn 30% and 35% right away.I agree this Henry is a dick, but just curious about this quote. I am not aware of any Microgaming program that pays this.
BJF wrote:I agree this Henry is a dick, but just curious about this quote. I am not aware of any Microgaming program that pays this.I just checked my spreadsheet, and you are right — pretty much every MGS program pays 25% to start. The exceptions, as far as I know:Vegas Partner: 27%
Villento: 28% (new aff program)
Casino Rewards: 35%:satisfied
You can’t get 35% at Casino Rewards anymore. They have that new wager -share model for all new players. Referback is 23% after they scrape about 8% off the gross win. Only 18% if you don’t bring a new player for the month. The new G3 – Grand Monace might be 30%. Not sure.
Vegas affs used to be a real nice program back in Stefano’s day, and Pierrick was good too. It has been deteriorating badly.
G3 is offering 30% for 3 months, but then it defaults to 25%.
Re: Casino Rewards — I thought the wager model equated to 35% for most affiliates? I wish they would show us the deposit amounts; then we would have a better idea.
As far as I can tell it adds up to at least 35% at rewards, I have a nice increase in earnings per player with this model from the 35% before. Mostly slot players though, they do very well on this model.
Once you start earning, you can always ask for a better %.
Quote:I was going to increase their exposure next month if they did this for me. Now, though, I’m thinking I might pull them down completely.So, you want to jeopardize $7500 / month for a one time Vegas trip?
I’m no fan of Vegas Aff, but I think you should keep this in perspective. I mean… they aren’t even going, so it isn’t like they’re specifically being mean to you.
I actually laughed when I read Marc suggesting you should offer all of your traffic up to someone else just so you can get to his conference for free. If he really thinks it’s that important to be there, he should be sending you the Vegas package himself.
If you want to leave for all of the other reasons, by all means, go ahead.
Quote:Henry acts like a dick most of the time.lol. You’d think programs would discourage that.
Oneguy2nv wrote:I mean… they aren’t even going, so it isn’t like they’re specifically being mean to you.That’s what I was thinking as well. They have no incentive comping somebody if all they are doing is sending you to meet other programs etc.
I think it is a very valid reason not to comp somebody.
You guys are probably right.
At the time, I was miffed by the rejection. I am not pulling them down. It would be stupid to throw away the income over something like this. The program itself is pretty good compared to many others out there. The casinos convert well for me, there aren’t any spam or rogue issues, the casinos aren’t bundled, negatives aren’t carried over……… Granted, the creatives are older than dirt, payments are slow, and Henry is in charge — but these aren’t good enough reasons for me to completely dump a program.
Making retroactive changes — now that is dumpworthy. Being unprofitable for 6 months — also dumpworthy. Turing down a request for freebies — not dumpworthy.
If he really thinks it’s that important to be there, he should be sending you the Vegas package himself.
LOL! I like that. :tongue:
I was very confused by the latest Casinomeister newsletter where he referred several times to Vegas Poker and Vegas Joker. I know Vegas Joker the Vegas Affiliates casino, but not a casino named Vegas Poker. This was very bad and a player had money stolen for “bonus abuse”. Anyone know more about his?
Vegas Poker is a casino thats owned by the same mini vegas group, but is not promoted by affiliates.
