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Please explain this.
everyone that talks about google and its “pr” ranking, has said that the higher the “PR” ranking you get the better and the higher you get on googles search engine. I have heard this since day one of my internet gambling affiliate adventure.
But as of today…i think its Crap!
I do keyword searches on google and whatever sites it brings up i try to link to. Usually the first page or two worth of sites. but today, i did a keyword search and the highest ranking site had a “pr” of “0”??????? and two pages in, there was a site with a ranking of “5”???????
How could this be? i thought that the higher a ranking that google gave you, the higher placement you got in the search results????
Why would a site with a pr of “0” get first placement on page 1 of a search, when a site with a “5” ranking get listed way back on page 2 in 13th place??????
@Triple777s 163216 wrote:
Why would a site with a pr of “0” get first placement on page 1 of a search, when a site with a “5” ranking get listed way back on page 2 in 13th place??????
Perhaps the PR0 site was more relevant to the search query. Higher PR will only result in higher results positioning when it’s used to differentiate between equally relevant pages.
I used to have pr 4 on one of my when it fairly new . The site would do 30-40hits a day , and id be lucky to break 1500 uniques a month and make a few hundred a month .
The site i speak of is now a pr2 , does over 20000 uniques a month , and is in the 5 figures .
Ive seen this on more then one site , so unless your selling links pr is useless
PR is only one factor that determines a site’s ranking in the results. There are at least 99 other factors, and probably quite a few more besides that.
I agree about pr it a google red herring. The more important thing is your key word phrase that is linked to you
eg: [url]http://gamblingxxx(dot)com[/url] — is how you are linked it won’t do much goodBUT if Best Casino Online is your key word phrase is used on all your links – that’s what gets you the hits you want
(when google allows you to be on the main index)
@Triple777s 163216 wrote:
Please explain this.
everyone that talks about google and its “pr” ranking, has said that the higher the “PR” ranking you get the better and the higher you get on googles search engine. I have heard this since day one of my internet gambling affiliate adventure.
If you hear this often – then you are listening in the wrong places.
PR has almost nothing to do with SERPS positioning – google have been pretty public with that for about 24 months after declaring it flawed due to all the very public link buying/selling.
Buying a PR link is stupid IMO – but I look at all the buying/selling still going on and assume that it’s a market with it’s own economic … but it has nothing to do with SERPs.
(Probably more like the phone card bubble of the 1990’s ? – Remember that?)
:tongue:So in other words, i should really pay no attention to the pr of my site or another site when deciding if i want to link to it or not…i have been using thier pr rank as a guide to how popular a site it is and how much traffic it gets, but now i am not so sure about this logic??
If you don’t go by the ranking that google gives a site, why bother using google’s “grade” on sites as a guideline at all?
i mean, if it really has to do with thier keywords and serps, and what ever else there is out there to judge a site, you really don’t need googles “grade” at all.
what other ways does a site need to get a high spot on a search page? i mean, i see sites that have hardly nothing for content, and the site is only basic stuff with one or two pages, and they are in the first 10 spots of search result. i need the secrets!!!! lollll
Higher PR ranking does not get you more hits if the “votes” for -your site and theme – are on non relevant sites. Online casinos often ask webmasters to do a three way linking to rank higher in SERPS because there is little content on their sites. I do not think they are that stupid. But on the other hand if you have a very informative website for returning visitors you might get traffic because they tell others, post your link in forums etc. That is the best strategy and you do not have to have that much SE traffic because you will get direct hits. But you need quality content, good designs, $$, experience, help etc. Not everybody can do that, just MO.
Rick
I read a lot about search engine positioning, I own a few sites, have targeted big words and small nche words, and I work with a lot of sites that do rank for huge terms, or are well known and well branded.
I’ve seen sites earning big $$ with no pr, ranking very high. I’ve also seen the opposite of that.
One thing I do notice is that most PR5+ sites rank very well, for pretty much everything they post. I’ve seen PR5 sites put up a blank page, because they later intend to put content on it. So, it’s a url, with a template and a link pointing to it. .. they rank #1 within 3-6 days.
I don’t know however if that has anything to do with the PR, if the page has high PR so it ranks well, or if it has high PR because it ranks well.
.. In more random thoughts…
The value of PR seems to change as often as the toolbar.
Throughout one span, it will seem that PR is up.. way more people are happy with their PR than mad.. in the next sweep, the opposite.. the bars go down across the board.
PR6 and PR7 gambling sites are very very rare (ftp actually got a 6, go us.), and rank really really well, but again, whatever seo work was done to get a pr6 (like garnering lots of backlinks, optimizing keywords, checking spelling and code.. ), also helped to boost that rank…
@Triple777s 163230 wrote:
So in other words, i should really pay no attention to the pr of my site or another site when deciding if i want to link to it or not…
You should link to sites because they add value for your visitors ie ‘here’s another site I think you’ll be interested in…’
@Triple777s 163230 wrote:
i mean, if it really has to do with thier keywords and serps, and what ever else there is out there to judge a site, you really don’t need googles “grade” at all.
Not unless you’re selling links to people who don’t understand how it works.
@Triple777s 163230 wrote:
i see sites that have hardly nothing for content, and the site is only basic stuff with one or two pages, and they are in the first 10 spots of search result.
They’re almost certainly Blackhat sites and they won’t be there for long.
How to get to the top? Build high quality, unique, useful content that other webmasters will want to voluntarily link to. That way, you’ll future-proof your site for when the Search Engines finally work out how best to give the precise results they – and we – desire.
My seo has always told me that the great myth is that pagerank actually means something as far as getting a site ranked well in google. Over the last few years i have started to believe him because i see so many high pr sites not being able to rank well for tough keywords, then he takes the client on and gets the sites up fast with low pr but very high relevency links.
Watched a video from google not long ago and the host said right there that pr means nothing now days, you can have a pr5 site with no relevant content and link to them and not go anywhere fast but link to a pr 0 site that has tons of relevant content and your good to go. Well that was months ago but as we all know google is fickle and a mystery in many ways.
relevance of content on the site your linking to is most important. The better the site the better your backlink will be.
bonustreak;163333 wrote:Watched a video from google not long ago and the host said right there that pr means nothing now days, you can have a pr5 site with no relevant content and link to them and not go anywhere fast but link to a pr 0 site that has tons of relevant content and your good to go. Well that was months ago but as we all know google is fickle and a mystery in many ways.The only real value “PR” has for me is that I can sell links from my sites on text-link-ads.com just because I have a high PR
added to the fact that some other webmasters agree to do link exchanges because I have a pagerank.
Pagerank is simply a way to see how popular a site is in terms of the amount of sites linking to it and no direct link to SERPS.
To get decent rankings it’s simply a case of good content and links from/to relevant sites, obviously there is more to SEO than just that but thats the basic foundations of attaining good rankings IMO.PR does mean very little these days. But it is an indicator, and use it as such, dont use PR as a result. There are other factors out there which also effect your website. Alexa rank, use that as an indicator as well, but not as a result.
