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Google will not punish you for any “suspect” link or links that point to your website no matter how bad they are, instead you will not receive any benefit from these “suspect” links.
Google will punish you if you have links pointing from your site to these “suspect” sites.
@ixian 185944 wrote:
Google will not punish you for any “suspect” link or links that point to your website no matter how bad they are, instead you will not receive any benefit from these “suspect” links.
Google will punish you if you have links pointing from your site to these “suspect” sites.
You are so wrong. I used to do BH and i know how easy it is to bann other sites. I got my WH sites banned several times, by some assh0les. There is a software (russian software), which can point 10 000 000 links from guestbooks, forums, comments …. no site can take this kind of heat. On BH forums you can buy services, which bann people from Google.
eclipse;185947 wrote:You are so wrong. I used to do BH and i know how easy it is to bann other sites. I got my WH sites banned several times, by some assh0les. There is a software (russian software), which can point 10 000 000 links from guestbooks, forums, comments …. no site can take this kind of heat. On BH forums you can buy services, which bann people from Google.Please provide some documented proof. My answer comes from Google. :hattip:
Read this thread here.What else can Google say
.eclipse;185954 wrote:What else can Google say.My vote goes to Google and not to someone who makes unsubstantiated claims. :hattip:
Sure, i was just adding my opinion to the discussion
.eclipse;185958 wrote:Sure, i was just adding my opinion to the discussion.Well don’t just fizzle out, give us some proof to your claims. I’m not trying to pick a fight with you. I hate it when somebody makes a claim and then does not want to back it up with a bit of reliable proof. :Cry:
I don’t want to prove me theory is right, since i don’t want to give some real examples.
Go to any decent BH forum (most are invitation only) and ask around / search. You’ll get what you’re looking form. I guarantee.
eclipse;185962 wrote:I don’t want to prove me theory is right, since i don’t want to give some real examples.Go to any decent BH forum (most are invitation only) and ask around / search. You’ll get what you’re looking form. I guarantee.
First of all you say that I am totally wrong and now you don’t have the balls to backup your point of view. Why did you bother posting here in the first place? :crazy:
I think the real question here is what you can or cannot believe.
I expect that if Google answered this question any other way, they would be opening up a pretty nasty can of worms.
We question everything they say because there have been too many times that the evidence point the opposite way.
We have also taken into consideration our geographical elements that may affect the parameter actually being in effect. So in other words do the same rules apply in the UK as they do in the US, or is there a delay.
Either way, with respect to this argument, I know people on both sides of the pond, Spain, Germany and the Netherlands that are currently practising this bh technique successfully. (yes – affiliates)
If google is changing this, then they need to get it out across all of their dc’s.
GaryTheScubaGuy;185970 wrote:I think the real question here is what you can or cannot believe.I expect that if Google answered this question any other way, they would be opening up a pretty nasty can of worms.
We question everything they say because there have been too many times that the evidence point the opposite way.
We have also taken into consideration our geographical elements that may affect the parameter actually being in effect. So in other words do the same rules apply in the UK as they do in the US, or is there a delay.
Either way, with respect to this argument, I know people on both sides of the pond, Spain, Germany and the Netherlands that are currently practising this bh technique successfully. (yes – affiliates)
If google is changing this, then they need to get it out across all of their dc’s.
Sigh. Can you backup what you are saying? Otherwise it’s just another conspiracy theory.
Of course I wouldn’t tell you who, what, how and whom to they are doing it, no quicker than I would have identified affiliates bidding on gaming terms 30 days ago, or how they did it.
Whether you choose to believe it or deem it propaganda or conspiracy led is up to you.
What reason would I have to manufacture any of this is the question you should be asking.
GaryTheScubaGuy;185980 wrote:Of course I wouldn’t tell you who, what, how and whom to they are doing it, no quicker than I would have identified affiliates bidding on gaming terms 30 days ago, or how they did it.Whether you choose to believe it or deem it propaganda or conspiracy led is up to you.
What reason would I have to manufacture any of this is the question you should be asking.
All I am asking you to do is substantiate your claims. I’m not accusing you of creating stories or telling lies. You have made some claims in a public forum so please have the decency to back them up. I’m not trying to fight with you. I am looking for an answer.
How would you like it if I created a post on this forum that accused GaryTheScubaGuy of doing something underhanded. You and everybody else on this forum would want me to backup my story with the facts.
Thats all I am asking of you.
From what I recollect no one accused you of anything, they simply asked a question about google bowling, even warning that individuals were out there doing that and you said it doesn’t work because Google said so.
Well I’m telling you it did and still does. The fact that it comes from Google that they have “resolved” the issue in no way makes it true, any more than me saying it isn’t true.
Quoting Google on your part doesn’t prove a thing, and your fooling yourself if you think different.
Again, I’m certainly not going to out anyone for the purpose of convincing you of the obvious.
For Christ’s sake do a little research beyond google’s t’s and c’s.
Look at any bh forum. Here, let me do it for you…
SEOblackhat.com ha s dedicated top-level thread that specifically says,”Googlebowling, Toolbar abuse, Programming and Script Development Discussions”
Beyond that ixian I recommend to FIND a blackhat and ask them what they think.
You’ll be surprised how common it is.
I know of a dozen programs that will do it, but for the sake of this arguement I’ll only tell you one – X-rumer
If not, well then we agree to disagree and your justifications (google’s t’s and c’s) are no better than mine (I know several bh’s doing it – oh, and I’ve also had 2 clients that we had to implement firewalls on their ISP’s after identifying this technique).
And I’ll leave you with this excerpt from the Google Webmaster Central Blog Chat on October 22nd regarding this exact issue;
ResdazMedia, Rehoboth Beach, DE: Some blackhat linked to my blog from 300+ adult splogs as revenge for calling him out. My blog had #1 ranking for it’s keywords, now it is on the second page at best. Can mass amounts of links from “bad neighborhoods” cause a drop in site ranking?
Nathan J: We work hard to make sure a site can’t have a negative effect on another site. Feel free to report spam if you think you find some – https://www.google.com/webmasters/tools/spamreportWhy do we need to report it if it doesn’t happen? Why do they have the option built in next to their “report link buying” request???
And here’s yet another;
Anonymous: When checking out your links to not found pages, what would you do about links from spammy sites? In fact, what to do about links from spammy sites in general?
Wysz: In general, it’s not something that you should worry about. We understand that you can’t control all links to your site, and work hard to make our algorithms robust enough to prevent this type of activity from harming your site’s ranking.
If you do notice any spam sites that are affecting Google’s search results, please let us know by submitting a spam report:
http://www.google.com/support/webmasters/bin/answer.py?answer=35265“In general” let them know about what???? Something that isn’t happening?
If you want to contact me directly, I will absolutely change your mind on this with a real case study and robust reports to back it up…but unfortunately I cannot and will not ‘OUT’ someone simply to prove an obvious point.
Sorry mate.
