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Thanks Warren for letting us know your point of view. Much appreciated.
I too think they will be changed if enough people express their concerns.
I am working with my AM and the Team leader t bwin now to see what this all means for my own affiliate account and what implications are going to happen whether i agree to them or not.
I fully do not understand what can happen should i disagree….
Would this mean i loss everything? Or what
@mallai 222414 wrote:
Regarding the 90 day period for NPAs: we are of the opinion that players that register at bwin and start playing only 3 months later do this due to bwin CRM campaigns…why would you register somewhere and wait three months to start playing?
You are wrong with your assumption most of the time. There are millions of players who start off with play money and don’t feel comfortable enough to deposit for months or years. Also they may make their first money in poker through a freeroll and therefore never ever have to deposit.
Even at the sportsbook players may change their mind after months or years and finally make a deposit. That is something that we know for a fact and see in the stats on a regular basis so I wouldn’t even think of contradicting if I was you. It is basically a no brainer. Every affiliate will agree, I believe.
Mallai, the industry norm and the golden rule is:
If the player originated from the tag of an affiliate, the affiliate is due the agreed upon commission for the life of the player.
Hey Dom,
It is clearly obvious now he/she will no longer show up and communicate any longer with us on these issues. Since not one person I know likes these terms and all seem to disagree – I think its safe to assume – they will just proceed full steam ahead and push this through without anymore debate.
S
@Dominique 222532 wrote:
Mallai, the industry norm and the golden rule is:
If the player originated from the tag of an affiliate, the affiliate is due the agreed upon commission for the life of the player.
@GFPC 222558 wrote:
Hey Dom,
It is clearly obvious now he/she will no longer show up and communicate any longer with us on these issues. Since not one person I know likes these terms and all seem to disagree – I think its safe to assume – they will just proceed full steam ahead and push this through without anymore debate.
S
That may be so, but in my experience, continued resistance from our community will eventually cause them to amend their terms in an affiliate friendly way. Let’s hope this will be the case here, too.
Hi all,
thanks for your postings.
I hope to welcome you all in Budapest to discuss the whole issue in person.
Bewinners is a great opportunity for you and I really recommend you trying it out first before judging it. It’s only 10 more days to go…
And we really appreciate communicating with you via forum and -even better- on the phone or in person next week.
BR,
bewinners@mallai 222614 wrote:
Bewinners is a great opportunity for you and I really recommend you trying it out first before judging it. It’s only 10 more days to go…
People are not judging bewinners as a new affiliate page, they are complaining about being ripped off because of the retroactive changes of the Ts & Cs.
No way Bewinners is good enough to neutralize the damage that you are inflicting right now. Existing affiliates are forced to accept the terms otherwise the agreement is terminated and players belong to Bwin forever. That’s what this is all about and there will be no solution unless you take the 5% rule out of the new terms.
As i said in another forum – he is like the PIED PIPER for Bwin.
I think the idea here they are hoping for is something similar to ” The Stockholm Syndrome”
Theory: We will eventually warm up to them and have positive feelings towards them as they lead us to our ultimate demise.
Part one : “The Bwin Syndrome”
Part two: Pied Piper Era
Part three: Affiliate DemiseHi there,
give bewinners a try and you will see whether it is good enough or not.
Success often goes along with changes. Changes mean new chances.
We are introducing a new performance based Revenue Share model (more info on this will be sent out soon) and a really transparent way of how your earnings are being calculated. The 5% rule is part of it.
Combining (apart from other stuff) the new bewinners program, the bwin brand and your efforts will make you getting a lot out of it.
That’s how it is, and it’s really good.
BR,
your bewinners team@mallai 222633 wrote:
Hi there,
give bewinners a try and you will see whether it is good enough or not.
It’s not – 5% isn’t.
That’s how it is, and it’s really good.
it’s not – 5% isn’t.
@Warren 222477 wrote:
Hi All (and especially pjotter)
Please accept my apologies. My post was made in haste without addressing the greater affiliate matter at hand here.
We don’t find these new retroactive terms acceptable and remain confident they will change if enough affiliates bring up the concern in person during Budapest. We have an open line of communication with the Head of Affiliates at bwin and will raise this concern in Budapest ourselves to try and come to a resolution.
Thank you,
WarrenHi Warren,
Thanks for your post. On GPWA, Mallai has posted that the terms CANNOT BE CHANGED. So what to do now? Can CAP do anything? I was hoping that something was going on behind the scenes, so I figured they should have a chance to change, but it seems like they want to tell us what affiliates want instead of listening to what we say.
Thanks
Thanks,
I remember several programs in the past sticking to their guns for some 3 months and longer before they realized the bad terms were costing them more than they were gaining.
And that is what will happen here.
@pjotter 222654 wrote:
Hi Warren,
Thanks for your post. On GPWA, Mallai has posted that the terms CANNOT BE CHANGED. So what to do now? Can CAP do anything? I was hoping that something was going on behind the scenes, so I figured they should have a chance to change, but it seems like they want to tell us what affiliates want instead of listening to what we say.
Yes, I have requested a meeting in Budapest with Mallai and the Affiliate Director. We also met in Prague and London so a relationship is already in place. We will endeavor towards a favorable resolution for all parties, just as CAP has done in the past with other programs.
Appreciate you keeping the lines of communication open Warren – with them. But i have to admit its frustrating to sit back and listen to this guy on the forums make comments. Base don how he speaks – and communicates, its an indication of pompous attitude, one where if we do not like it – to bad. He shows no concern for how we all feel about this. I do not know 1 single affiliate who agrees with this. Not 1. Yet he speaks like be winners is the ALL greatest system and we should be priviledged to get to work with them with these terms.
I strongly urge you speak to the director for sure but this guy has no clue at all. The electricity was turned off long ago.
I request you ask for a more helpful rep to address our concerns here.
