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Content – well, in that case, what am I doing hanging around here? I need to get back to work!
This thread, by the way, had enlivened an otherwise dull, rainy weekend on the west coast.
I did have a look at the DMOZ application. Maybe I will fill it out, see what happens.
LOL, Classics–I was thinking of my hometown of Bonham, where I grew up. But I haven’t actually looked for any sites. I probably could find some though–I was being a little facetious.
Originally posted by Classics
A bad Pope is worse than no Pope. I think I’ll pass on the other.Randy http://dmoz.org/Regional/North_America/United_States/Texas/Localities/W/Wylie/
There are 50 sites here. Maybe you can find three sites for churches, or doctors.Antoine, Inktomi says they use DMOZ. Believe them or don’t. Plenty of things might be as important or more important. Being listed is just one thing that is better than being not listed.
I can answer this one for you, Classics–you’re very defensive of DMOZ and Google, almost in direct opposition to every other casino webmaster on this site. You’re also the only casino webmaster on the board who is almost completely anonymous regarding what website or sites you own.
Which causes one to suspect that maybe you’re not a casino webmaster, but rather a DMOZ and/or Google representative of some kind.
Most of the casino webmasters I know are proud of their sites and WANT to share them with others–show them off so to speak. IIRC, you’ve been asked multiple times about your site or sites and not ever replied.
So a fair question might also be why you’re reluctant to share with us your website?
I personally don’t really care what site or sites you run, other than being mildly curious.
I’ve gotten value from your contributions to the discussion here, and I don’t have a problem with you. I don’t think I shared any information in the above paragraphs with you that you’re not already aware of either, you coy thing you.
Take ‘er easy.
Originally posted by Classics
This is weird. Why does anybody want to know what sites I have? Why on earth would anyone care? LOL.Fergie, dmoz has basically the same rules for window pane retailers. You are making the same mistake lots of people make. DMOZ isn’t listing your business. DMOZ is listing your web content. If they already list the words on a page, like on Casino Tropez’s website, they aren’t going to list those same words on another site. They do hold gambling to a higher standard, but it it isn’t that much higher.
Put words on webpages that aren’t on any other webpages.
Ok guys, it’s been a healthy discussion up to now. I think it points out issues that are interesting to ponder:
1. The perception of the vast majority of webmasters and affiliates is that DMOZ has placed the barriers to listing so high that they have basically been locked out of the directory. In the case of gambling portals which target players I heartily agree, its easier to force an elephant thru the eye of a needle then it is to get a gambling portal listed.
2. I think Fergie hit the nail on the head regarding original content and how we as affiliates are retailers which strive to present a quality line up of products to our visitors. The content we use to do so by its very nature will be derivative as we cant simply make up info about our client casinos and there are only so many ways to detail their software, number of games, bonus structures etc… There isnt much we can do about this in my oppinion.
2. I understand Classics points on DMOZ’s position and I think it is accurate. That’s how they feel. If you are not willing to jump thru the hoops they say then they won’t list you. No amount of lobbying or complaining seems to matter to them, they are sticking to their party line without deviation and that’s the way it is. So be it. If they won’t list you or I, no big deal. I don’t think we will starve. Don’t use their directory or further inflate their egos. In a free market society thats the best way to show WE dont support them or their elitist view on what should or should not be presented to searchers.
3. For whatever reason Classics does not want to disclose what sites he or she has. Like everyone else I have no idea why thats a state secret, but it’s Classics perogative. This is the public area of CAP and we do allow guests to interact and post where and when they choose. Yes, we dont permit blatant SPAM or Flaming or unprofessional behavior , but so far I have not seen that from Classics. Please respect Classics right to converse with us and share oppinions without forming a lynch mob because he/she wants to remain semi anonymous. I think its productive to have as many view points as possible represented here. You have to admit Classics certainly expresses DMOZs (and Googles) position eloquently, let’s accept that for what it adds to the community.
Thanks for the lively discussion and have a great weekend everyone
:bigsmile:Quote:Put words on webpages that aren’t on any other webpages.Ha ha… well, I’m going to agree with Classics here. It was a big fight to get the non-original sites out of DMOZ – and then another big fight to convince them that Got2Bet had original content (which it did and still does).
However, there was also a point where DMOZ was listing non-useful sites (ie. a banner exchange) under a main category (gambling) where it clearly didn’t belong, as well as at least one site which had already more or less become an “under construction” page – and it took more long discussion before these were removed/relocated.
In case anyone was wondering, I also applied and got rejected despite the fact that I could show references, proof of expertise, etc. It became quite clear that they will basically not accept applications for larger categories except those made by an editor of a smaller category. And gambling is one of those categories that no one really wants to edit because it is extremely time consuming as you can imagine… so on occasion another editor will come in and do the job temporarily just to clear the backlog.
Has DMOZ been a boon to Got2Bet? Yes, sort of – but not directly in terms of traffic. I’d be amazed if Got2Bet gets 10 hits a month from a DMOZ listing, even the Google version where we are right near the top because of their sorting by pagerank.
Is it worth getting in DMOZ? Yes, sort of, because you certainly have nothing to lose.
Is it worth the hassle? Debatable, since the great likelihood is that your application will not be considered for some time, and then there had better be some really unique elements and content in order for the application to be successful. This is especially true for the foreign language sites – Got2Bet has a Chinese version which has far and away more original content – and is in fact one of the biggest Chinese-language sites – but the application made more than a year ago has apparently not been looked at, and since I have seen no other sites added I would assume that the application has not been rejected.
Basically – unless one can clearly show that DMOZ will provide a boost in position for Google or Inktomi, I wouldn’t worry too much about it. Classics may well be right, in fact I’d tend to agree with most of what has been said. But don’t bother knocking on the door unless your site is unique, and don’t bother applying to edit the gambling category unless you are willing to start washing dishes first. DMOZ has always “promoted” from within and I don’t see that changing any time soon.
Classics,
Thank you for your usefull advices.
I’ll follow them and submit my site again.Just wanted to let you know that I didn’t mean to come across as snippy or as a smart-aleck in my earlier posts. You really have provided some helpful info and discussion here.
Have a great weekend everybody!
did not mean to start such a crazy thread, sorry Prof but I think Classics is an idiot
did not mean to start such a crazy thread, sorry Prof but I think Classics is an idiot
Ah, praise from Caesar.
I take it from your obnoxious response that you now understand why your sites aren’t listable, and that you’d rather cry about it than do anything about it.
Don’t ask questions if you don’t want to learn the answers.
Alright, Classics, enough is enough. I can’t take it anymore.
While it isn’t ‘nice’ to call you an idiot, it isn’t hard to see why islandman feels compelled to insult you.
Your condescending attitude has offended more than a few people. You shouldn’t be suprised that some have resorted to throwing the dirt back at you.
A poster asked a question, which kicked off this thread. What he did not do, however, is ask for the arrogant and contemptuous editorializations you spiced your posts with.
Unasked for and undeserved.
Whether or not your information was factual or had any value has been overshadowed and almost completely obliterated by your disgusting attitude towards other posters.
As an ambassador for DMOZ, you have succeeded in provoking some hard feelings towards them, and I don’t think DMOZ would thank you for it.
GRRRR!
Sorry, I just had to spit that out. I hope I haven’t offended anybody (Classics excluded).
GRRRRRRRRR!
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This thread and certain other threads much like it are a source of great amusement to me.
