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I am having trouble getting accepted or even responded to from DMOZ . Awhile back we submitted these 2 sites, http://www.CasinoGames.com http://www.BlackjackPlayer.com and they rejected Casino Games with no reason given and never heard anything back on BJP?
As a matter of fact I don’t think any of my clients sites have yet to be accepted.
Any ideas?
Brian
And either URL could not be found?
And they look pretty good to me.
Can’t imagine why they were rejected.
Perhaps its because the user has to sign up before they can see the main content of the website. Given the attitudes alot of editors at DMOZ have…that would be my guess.
Also… DMOZ frowns heavily on Casino sites…especially affilate sites…despite what anyone says.
If you feel like getting pissed off today…go browse through DMOZ’s forums at: http://resource-zone.com
Wait until you see how the editors and meta editors treat people there. Can you say elitest snobs???
I’m a bit new to the affilate game…however..I have done some research into the DMOZ issue. The concensus I have found is that if you have a commercial site..or an affilate site…don’t even bother.
This might sound pessimistic, but I really wouldn’t bother. I’ve been trying to get any of over 100 websites, most of them nongambling included in thier worthless outdated directory and it’s impossible.
I also tried to get some charities included, since i figured it was pretty noncommercial.
I tried for 3 years before giving up.
Antoine
DMOZ are very inresponsive and I submitted a few sites over a week ago and they all have prefectly good content and unique in their own way.
Sent them an email and still never heard back.
It is like playing russian roulette!!!! :rolleyes:
Brian, I may be able to help you out with BlackJackPlayer as this is an easier one to get listed and a category I have recently had luck in.
This comes straight from meta editor over at Dmoz:
“To be honest, its nearly impossible to differ between the two possibilities. In some areas we assume that submitters are nice, in others our experience tells us that they are not. We are very restricting with online-casino sites due to the heavy amount of online-casino-spam flooding the ODP. That may be unfair against honest people, but we simply have no choice.”
Putting this statement together with what Simoneaton said about how unresponsive DMOZ is would lead me to belive that dealing with DMOZ if you have a gambling site is a big ol’ waste of time.
Casino Games has no free content to review so obviously it wouldn’t be listed. It’s just a sign up page!
Blackjackplayer brings up a certificate error message, so again there isn’t much to review. If that was fixed, and there is actual content on the site when you click those links, then that seems listable. On the other hand, if there isn’t anything there but sign-up pages, then it almost certainly wouldn’t be listed.
Dmoz is looking for original, unique website content. In Gambling it isn’t listing “businesses”. Here blajackplayer has some content, but it is very minimal, just a sentence about each game. Also, blackjackplayer would never be listed itself since it just frames http://blackjackplayer.casinos.an/
“I submitted a few sites over a week ago” Hmmmm… first of all, you won’t be contacted. If you are accepted, you are listed. If you want to ask about status at resource-zone, you can after a month. If nobody volunteers it could be years before a site is looked at.
The main thing though is dmoz is a volunteer organization. If you want to see something done in the gambling areas, then volunteer. Gambling was actively edited most of 2003, but much less so now because a lack of volunteers. If you want to see something done, then volunteer, don’t cry for somebody else to do it. And if you volunteer, start with the smallest category possible.
Wasn’t there a thread somewhere about members of this forum volunteering to be editors and being ignored or rejected?
If they are crying out for volunteers and reject the ones that apply then how will the situation ever be rectified.
People who have an interest in something tend to like to make a bit of money out of the hobby as well. Therefore a person who likes gambling sets up a gambling portal and this seems to automatically take them out of the running to be an editor.
Please correct me if I am wrong here.
That was me that applied to be an editor.
Not only did I get rejected within hours, I didn’t even receive the courtesy of a note advising me why.
Seems like if someone goes to all the trouble to apply to be an editor, they could expect a one-liner about why their application was rejected. That would surely take less time than it took me to prepare and submit their application.
BTW, Classics–I seem to remember someone else asking you in another thread which category you edited and you never replied? I’m curious about your interest in the CAP message board too–are you a casino webmaster?
It seems like you never have anything to discuss on the boards here that isn’t related to defending Google and DMOZ–not trying to be rude, just curious.
How difficult would it have been to take the 30 seconds that it takes to sign up for casinogames to view the content of the website?
How is it any different than entering your email address prior to downloading casino software?
Seriously, DMOZ is junk. The directory is outdated and useless. The only thing that could change this is by having new editors. Unfortunately the current editors get high by playing god. The idea was good but it’s long lost its usefulness.
Antoine
“How difficult would it have been to take the 30 seconds that it takes to sign up for casinogames to view the content of the website?”
Less time consuming than including a password for an editor! deliberately wasting another person’s time is not the way to anyone’s heart. Also, what sane person gives out their email address to just anybody. These types of things are an easy way to get spammed, everybody does aknowledge that hopefully. And it is silly to suggest that an editor should create a new email account every time a webmaster doesn’t include a password to a password protected site. The main thing though is editors are supposed to evalute the web content they see, which in this case is nothing.
“Not only did I get rejected within hours, I didn’t even receive the courtesy of a note advising me why.”
That is a physical impossibility unless you are suggesting they called you on the telephone!
Once again, you applied for a category that has a subcategory. It is extremely unlikely someone would get approved in that scenario since it is pretty presumptuous. Apply for the smaller category. Or apply first to edit the category for schools or hospitals or whatever in your home town.
To be rejected you have to get an email. It’s just a form email, and maybe some dick of a meta editor should have included a reason, but so what? You just going to curl up into a ball and die? Take the next step. In this case, Randy, if you would have read a bunch of the apply to be an editor resource zone forum it would have been apparent that you should have applied to a smaller category.
I said before I’m not an editor. I’m a gambling webmaster and do SEO, which is the same thing I suppose. My principal interest is the search engine related stuff. Content and all that takes care of itself.
“Please correct me if I am wrong here.”
You’re wrong. There is nothing that prevents a webmaster from being an editor in his/her interest area. But you have to bite off a small piece first. There was one guy on resource zone a few months ago offering to volunteer to do a security alarms category, something like that. Problem is the category was enormous, 300+ listed sites and hundreds waiting for review. But the guy was too stubborn to apply to a smaller category that didn’t interest him much first. You can’t just become Pope. You gotta rise up through the ranks.
DMOZ adds 4000 sites a day and is the Internet’s biggest human directory. It’s literally the place search engines start crawling the Internet. (I was wrong in the other thread too, Inktomi starts with DMOZ too.) Perhaps it’s got more than its share of weenie librarians, but again so what? Either don’t care about it, or do something about it. Complaining doesn’t serve any purpose.
The DMOZ gambling categories are in pretty good shape, but it could use a dozen or more editors. And those potential editors need to understand, well, much of the rest of the world doesn’t like gambling (or adult) webmasters so you are held to a higher standard than others, so you have to start small and slow and work up to greater responsibility and trust. Maybe that sucks totally, but that is how the world works.
Randy, if you do want to edit that category fairly and well, why don’t you apply to edit a category for your home town or area first? I don’t do anything with roulette, but it would be great to see someone committed enough to earn the privilege of being that editor.
Classic how you can defend such an obviously corrupt directory that has no real value is beyond me.
‘To be rejected you have to get an email. It’s just a form email, and maybe some dick of a meta editor should have included a reason, but so what? You just going to curl up into a ball and die? Take the next step. In this case, Randy, if you would have read a bunch of the apply to be an editor resource zone forum it would have been apparent that you should have applied to a smaller category.’
And why the hell should someone waste 100+ hours of thier life sending in different applications over and over just for the fluke possibility that they might get approved? To include one website? That is the most retarted thing I have ever heard. No one I know has ever been approved. I know webmasters that have had all thier friends apply. I applied for a town near here with a population of 500! I guess that directory is just too huge to accept someone near that town.
And you know what. Dmoz has no special relationship with search engines. Search engines crawl the useless database, but they also crawl any other site. If you happen to be on a page with high PR then you get a pr boost otherwise it’s worthless.
Last I checked no one uses Dmoz. Dmoz is owned by Netscape, and guess what that browser and search engine is dying as fast as the directory is. Who in thier right mind uses Dmoz? I just tested it out for fun and and looked up ‘red deer web design’ sure enough the second link on the page goes to a website that has no content and only popups. The third website is down, the 4th website is a funeral home, the 5th site is hockey, and all of the other websites have no relevance to web design.
But that’s weird there’s at least 15 web design firms in this town. But I guess since no one can become an editor, and the current editors are too stupid to explain why they reject websites or applications it’s to be expected.
That is one example. I could give you many for almost any search.
Please oh great one provide some examples of your websites so that we may learn what relevant content is that shall appease the Dmoz Gods. I am really looking forward to seeing these links that shame our websites.
Antoine
