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What are revenue share abusers?
How can you abuse revenue share?
You get paid based on the money you generate for the casino, what’s to abuse?
That was their reason for not changing their Predatory Terms… Can be seen at:
KWBlue here was Natalie’s earlier response. I know you feel passionately about this issue but it’s obvious the affiliate is NOT active and wasnt active for quite some time. Maxus even admitted this. And yes their terms DO state if you arent active then your account status can be change to inactive and you wont recieve commissions. I am NOT saying these are optimal terms, but they are what’s posted:
Quote:Dear Maxim,I’ve explained to you previously what an “Active Affiliate” means.
5.5. In any case where the Referral Company chooses a compensation program where GW agrees to reward the Referral Company for the lifetime activity of the referred player, the Referral Company must maintain the status of “Active Affiliate” to be eligible to receive compensation for old Referred Players. “Active Affiliate” status being defined as a Referral Company that refers at least one new depositor per calendar month. In the case where a Referral Company fails to maintain “Active Affiliate” status for a period of six months or more, GW reserves the right, at their sole discretion, to completely discontinue any type of service. (http://www.gamblingwages.com/terms.aspx)
When you received that payment for $3868,29 in January, you were already inactive for 6 months, and I wrote to you an email, letting you know that you need to start sending at least one player per month to us. Actually, let me remind you that you did not even know you had that commission accumulated, because it took me a while to get a hold of you. At this moment your CoolCat account is inactive for 9 months, while Palace of Chance is inactive for 14 months. You do not even have a link of our casinos on your site, as we are not getting any clicks from you at all. I do not see an attempt of you promoting us, or having any kind of interest for our brands.
We believe that a partnership is built on a principle of mutual cooperation: where you give us constant exposure and we make sure to convert your traffic and retain the customers. While you were not promoting us, and even stopped from checking your account, we were trying to reactivate the customers you brought to us a year ago, and make them deposit again. That’s how you’ve accumulated a commission of $3868,29, which I made sure you got. However, after this effort we expected you to give us at least some exposure on your site, which did not happen.
So, after all your account is inactive, and if you need to talk to me, please reply to the email I sent you last week.
If you dont agree with these terms and conditions the option to leave the program is always on the table. Just be aware if you do so you wont be paid commissions any longer.
Like I stated earlier let me talk with Natalie and see what can be done. I think what we probably need to focus on is whether or not those terms were in place when Maxus joined and sent the players in question. If they werent they we have a case to be made that the NEW terms ARE predatory as they are RETROACTIVE. If those terms have been in place since the beginning then the affiliate has a responsibility to remain active if they want to continue to be paid commissions.
IMO they are predatory no matter what.
However, if the terms were in place when the aff signed up, they are not retrocative and the program has a right to enforce them.
Affs need to read terms and decide whether they want to join or not based on that. If you join a program that has predatory terms in place, it is your responsibility.
If the program changes the terms after you joined, that is retroactive and did not give you a chance to opt out. This happened to me with Casino Coins, and that remains an unresolved issue at this date. This is now breach of contract.
Natalie has a point re. reactivation of dormant players. However, in that case there would have to be accounting concerning which players were dormant and which were not, and this needs to be in the T&Cs when affs sign up.
This is a choice affiliates and programs have to make. If a program wants to have predatory terms, that’s their right. It’s the affiliate’s right to pick and choose among the many available programs and obtain terms that suit him/her.
Changing the rules after an affiliate joins is illegal. It is breach of contract.
kwblue wrote:I really hope they resolve this issue immediately and attempt to make their program reputable once again. It’s either that OR we will ALL be happy to see them go away completely.I would be very happy if they went away completely. The industry would be better off without GW and several other scummy programs.This program IMO has never been very affiliate friendly, and like Dave said they could just go away and I would not notice or care.
Professor wrote:Placing a few banners on your sites would have probably avoided all of this problem and may ultimately be a solution moving forward.kwblue wrote:Note that the message stats that the banners were taken down AFTER they did NOT pay commissions.I have 7 sites and failed to remove them completely :unhappy:. Besides, after last payment I was sure the things were going better.
I’m so glad I was smart enough :happydanc to make some screenshots of my stats at GW. I‘m afraid I cannot post them as GW will blame me in violating the ’ Confidentiality and Non-Disclosure’
For February 2007 (coolcat)
Number of Clickthroughs: 2
Number of Downloaders 4
Number of players 1
Number of Depositors 0
I did not bring new players, at least I tried. Compare to Natalie’s post:Natalie wrote:as we are not getting any clicks from you at all.I have my own click stats at my sites, it’s not 100% accurate but it also shows some activity with GW Casinos.
So far, even ‘Placing a few banners’ was not a solution. Professor, they did not pay.
Hi all,
Prof I very,… very rarely disagree with you as you so often show much more wisdom than I could think of …..until you point it out.
but that said. this time I disagree. IF its true the aff stopped promoting the program after not receiving the earnings for the previous month …. then it is the program that has broken the trust …. not the aff. partial payment is not enough without due reason.
How can anybody be expected to continue promoting a program that has not paid IN FULL … the amount earned the previous month?
I beg pardon if I misunderstood the situation ……but that was my take on it and if it is correct …. then the aff is not to blame in any manner.
It is what any thinking aff would do ….. and rightfully so. you gotta be paid for your services in a timely fashion same as the utility company expects you pay on time to gain next month’s power.
Maxus I spoke with Natalie and she is going through the system and determining what she can do. You will be paid on players you acquired PRIOR to the terms and conditions changes that now require you to actively promote them to qualify for payment. She agreed that enacting the active affiliate rule retroactively was not acceptable.
You will not be paid on any players acquired after the new terms were instituted since you are not active.
I sincerely believe if you had been making a good faith effort to promote their brands then this problem would not have occured. If you have earned thousands of dollars with the program in the past and are still continuing to collect money from them I cant figure out why its such a huge problem to throw up a few banners and attract a depositing player or two, hell those new players might earn you thousands more too.Two click throughs is NOT traffic or any effort being made and you know that.
While I dont like minimum player requirements and wouldn’t personally sign up for a program with them in place I do feel that affiliate marketing is a partnership. When you decide you no longer want to be a partner with a program these sort of things are prone to happen.
Once Natalie has figured out what you are eligble to receive she will let us know and we will ensure you are paid that amount.
BB1 Maxus WAS paid in January even though he had already been inactive for over NINE MONTHS prior to then. He was told then that if added the casinos back onto his sites he would CONTINUE to be paid. He decided he didnt want to do that. Please read Natalie’s statement above too.
We need to be objective and look at the whole picture and not just assume that the program is ALWAYS wrong. They arent.
Top work Professor.
:hattip:While that does clarify things a little bit…
Their terms are still so veeeeerrrrrryyyy Predatory. If they are willing to enact this type of punishment for work done to bring them their players, then what is the point in ever promoting them???
This type of crap is called…. Greed… and nothing more (no matter what type of spin they put on it)
If this is how they treat their affiliates – then their affiliates NEED to know about it. I mean – what happened if you got sick? Or Google banned your website? Or THEY stopped converting players with THEIR banners?
Well – guess what? YOU lose your hard earned commissions.
This is NOT the way an accredited organization should act. Remember – we ARE your sales force.
ugh… sorry – getting riled up…
Professor wrote:Two click throughs is NOT traffic or any effort being made and you know that.
Under this circumstances even 1 click IS a traffic. Professor, I hope you could agree that paying only part of my commission was also not an effort!!! And with all my imagination I cannot say it was ‘good faith effort’.
They owed me about 14 000 (cannot be accurate here as i don’t have access to my stats – at the beginning of 2007, perhaps it was only 10000), the last payment made the total paid to a $6,806.
Professor, what number do you consider traffic? And to be correct there were 4 downloaders (not just 2 clicks)Professor wrote:When you decide you no longer want to be a partner with a program these sort of things are prone to happen.Professor wrote:We need to be objective..
I’m afraid you are not objective, Professor, as I never decided that! I just stopped sending traffic until GW pays.Professor wrote:… not just assume that the program is ALWAYS wrong.
I never assumed that program is ALWAYS wrong. I even did not want to bring this matter to public, but after my account was deactivated they do not reply to my email (actually, they rare did it in the past) I had to post at CAP.What I see is that the terms were enacted AFTER he joined and hence he never stood a chance. He promoted the group in the belief that what he signed up for was one thing, and then finds out someone changed the horse out from under him in the middle of the race.
That is breach of contract.
Dominique wrote:What I see is that the terms were enacted AFTER he joined …Thank you, Dominique
I found some notes – the first commisson earned with GW was on June 2004, first players on Mar 2004
