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I only have 2 concerns from this, and these two are the reason for all my complaints, and why I tried to propose alternate motivation methods.
ALL of my traffic comes from google, and I get the odd hit or two from Yahoo/msn. If google decides to change algo for some reason (similar to the November2003 update) then all my traffic goes. I instantly lose 5%.
I suppose RB could of put in some sort of “appeal” system where we can show them we are TRYING to market their casinos, but for reasons beyond our control we have not being able to.
That’s my concern #1.
Concern #2.
As far as I see it, this is only the start. If RB takes 5% what’s to stop all other programs taking off 5%. Eventually there will be so many affiliates, and so few casinos that commissions will be between 5% and 30%, not 25% and 50%.For the record: I will still market Referback as much as I ever have, but not because of this new 4th tier.
bb1webs – why don’t you keep the lucky nugget ads up until the changes are finalized? As far as I know RB is reviewing the new changes, so there is a chance the old system will be kept in place.
Does anyone know what the chances are of Referback reversing this? I assume some of you are bringing them a ton of players right now, so perhaps they will have to backtrack?
But I’m new to all this so I don’t have a good feeling for how it all works.
I am sure if they can reverse it, they will.
I know they are not only getting an earful here but also from individual affiliates.
It depends somewhat on how the most injured affiliates react – and how many have just dropped out and are receiving big checks anyway.
Referback has nice retention generally – and so there are a lot of people who have players there for years. With the PPC mess, some of the major ones may have stopped sending any players and are just sitting back collecting checks.
I imagine this is the cause, and whether it gets reversed I suppose depends on the severity of that damage.
The positive in here is that they are honest enough to let you accumulate old players. The negative – well everyone has pointed it out already.
just because some affs are currently severely hampered by the PPC situation doesn’t mean they won’t land on their feet given a month or two to figure out where to advertise.
everybody knows that when you are trying out new places, that you just don’t go in and throw down $5k without having tested the waters first.
I think those that were successful once, will be again. But its not a light switch that can be flipped. These things take time.
and no matter, its not like anybody is costing RB anything.
They (casinos) are still seeing a profit off the deposits made by existing players.
I really don’t see a leg to stand on if that’s an arguement for this reasoning.
how many players I send has absolutely no bearing on the profit made from existing players.
It will still be made, and the lack of new players sent only means that there won’t be any new accounts to show added profit. But the profit from existing players is not effected one bit due to the increase or decrease of new players sent.
bb1webs – why don’t you keep the lucky nugget ads up until the changes are finalized? As far as I know RB is reviewing the new changes, so there is a chance the old system will be kept in place.
I will. it will take me that long to find time to hunt the dang things down.
and how many have just dropped out and are receiving big checks anyway.
Agree Dom,
If affiliates have dropped out, or are no longer promoting RB, then there is no partnership anymore. Which some programs would quit paying completely.
Just the way they have structured this would hurt new affiliates and active affiliates that are trying to promote the group.
BB1- yes they do receive profit off the players, but they can also loose money off players as well. With the no negative carry over, the player could put the program in the negative but yet the affiliate gets paid. Example: If a player wins 10k one month and in the following month puts it all back in. Then the casino has no win but are back at zero profit. Except the affiliate earns % of the 10k. So with paying the affiliate, the program is loosing money.
( how many affiliates will or do drop a program cuz they never can get out of the negative with a player that has won? )RB does give the no carry over, the cross promoting, treating each casino seperate so that a winner on one casino doesn’t wipe out all commissions, decent player retention is all positives for the affiliates activily promoting the group.
Originally posted by krystall2
If affiliates have dropped out, or are no longer promoting RB, then there is no partnership anymore. Which some programs would quit paying completely.
It seems to me that if the players you brought are still making money for RB, you should still be getting checks from RB. It’s still a partnership, I’d say.
It seems to me that if the players you brought are still making money for RB, you should still be getting checks from RB. It’s still a partnership, I’d say
True, and Referback honors that.
Krystall points out that not everyone does this, and I know she is right.
The point of a program offering residual income is that once you stop promoting them, earnings will still come in. I know only of one program that does not honor residuals after you stop promoting them and that’s Hope Mills Universal, an rx program. Hope Mill’s boat is sinking by the way. At one time they were the most popular program and now everyone has dumped them.
well the honorable and ethical thing to do if they are intent on changing the rules mid-stream is to grandfather clause the current accounts and anything new signed up from the day forward of the policy change would be prone to the new policy rules, but those accounts that webmasters had signed up under the original agreement; should be honored under the original agreement’s terms.
That’s simple 1 + 1 business ethics – at least here it is the states.
Hi Folks
I don’t want to down play your concerns and I acknowledge some of you may feel threatened by these changes.
I hope my 5c will help:
Dammit :crazy: We should have spoken to some of you that have been around for a while and got your input first. (We are making far more of an effort to see and talk with our Affiliates such as yourselves; I especially enjoyed meeting some of you in Miami, so lesson learned.)
We made these changes to activate some of the folk that have not been around for ages – it was never our intention to penalize you, the affiliate that dropped as a result of a Search Engine messing with your ranking. So, if this is the case and you’re affected; get hold of your Account Manager and they will make a plan.
These changes were deliberately designed to not impact our valued and performing affiliates – this is why there is only a ‘ONE new active account’ requirement in order to make the 25% tier. The last thing we would want to do is kick out affiliates for non-performance.
There was a question of when the casino pricing changes take affect – assuming it would affect you, it will only do so in July ’04. June ’04 commissions will not be affected.
Now for poker… (Prof., I feel like we owe you an apology. We should have updated you on this last week.)
The truth is that the poker changes were quite sudden and in all the “fun” of rolling out the casino pricing changes we dropped the ball. Now that it is out I would like to make sure that folk know that the 40% tier was always a time limited offer so that change was inevitable – the CPA clawback was withdrawn as there was simply too much abuse by a select few Affiliates and a wider spread of players. Once we have the new poker player offer in place we may put this deal in place with Affiliates who we know and trust.
Again – we have no interest in hurting the normal performing affiliate – so talk to your account manager if you’re one of the few good guys that did get knocked down!
Moving forward…
In an attempt to bring in the positive I have started a new thread called “Affiliate Promotions” – please add your thoughts/ comments/ ideas about how you would like to see Affiliate promotions/ incentives work – and I mean ones that the average affiliate will benefit from not just ones for the top few affiliates…If we put some of these in place then perhaps you will realize we are not just trying to cheat you.
Very nice post, Zane.
I have an idea: Keep that structure, just add 5% to each tier
So 20% becomes 25%, etc.Is that feasible?
A grace period for all new affiliates would be nice too. Since a person starting out might have a few rocky months until they figure out the best way for them to market the casinos.
Quote:So, if this is the case and you’re affected; get hold of your Account Manager and they will make a plan.Whether or not the affiliate is currently marketing on your behalf or not, you must pay 25% lifetime on the players that he/she has referred. That was the agreement that was entered into when the affiliate signed up with you – and that is the agreement you must honor.
Going forward if you want to change the rules, fine – but not on any players referred before July 1st.
You should be making a plan to allow for this – not asking affiliates to come begging to you for something they are already entitled to.
LIFE of player MEANS just that – LIFE OF PLAYER!
I dont think anything can or should be done retroactively.
Originally posted by arkyt
LIFE of player MEANS just that – LIFE OF PLAYER!Careful with that – dont want them going knocking players off to save money :crazy:
