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Many in this forum must be aware of the discussion going on in the GPWA forum thread What do you think of the CAP banning frenzy? started by Michael Corfman after he and few others were banned from the CAP forum.
I would like to know if they were banned because they misbehaved in this forum or because of other reasons. In my opinion, people should not be banned from a forum unless they violate the code of conduct of the forum. Looking for the code of conduct of this forum, I found an excellent piece of clarification posted by the Prof. on 3.7.2005 in the section Board Posting Clarification:
“What you will NOT be allowed to do is:
1. Make personal attacks on other members. I dont mind debate, and in fact encourage it, but we debate issues, not people! We are adopting a 0 tolerance level with respect to this rule. You are adults and this is being stated clearly, YOU WILL BE BANNED IF YOU ATTACK PEOPLE ON A PERSONAL BASIS. PERIOD.
2. You will treat the moderators (and myself ) with common courtesy. Dom and Randy are NOT paid for their efforts. They help us as a service to the community. We owe them thanks not headaches.
3. If you have constructive issues to bring up about CAP or ideas for improvement we would love to hear them. What we will not allow is for people to come in here as guests and trash us in our own home! This is not too much to ask and we will enforce this rule with 0 tolerance.”
I consider this as an excellent definition of what should not be allowed in a forum and, therefore, lead to expulsion from participating in the forum. Other issues should not lead to expulsion of the persons involved.
I have brought up this issue here because, as an affiliate, I am extremely interested in having open access to all relevant forums as long as I respect the code of conduct of the individual forums. I, therefore, appeal earnestly to the CAP administration to lift the ban against Michael and others, unless they did something offending in this forum. We affiliates are going through a rough time because of government policies and economic turbulence. We should try to avoid anything that creates feelings of animosity within our community.
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Link exchange welcome. PM me.@Nandakishore 186733 wrote:
“…unless they did something offending in this forum.
Thanks for the feedback. The fact is that those who were banned, were done so because at least one of these rules were broken either offilne or online. Lou (Professor) does not and will not ban people for no reason. He is very passionate about the affiliate community and his primary goal is to keep this forum professional and industry oriented. If you do have any questions about why someone was banned, you can contact the Professor directly via PM or e-mail.
As for the thoughts stated by GPWA, we choose not to got very involved in their politics as that is Michael’s forum and he can run it as he wishes. We did state our thoughts in their thread, however, CAP will remain professional and any forum bashing threads that are started within our community, even if they are targeting GPWA, shall be removed if the CAP Moderators and Administrators deem it necessary.
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Link exchange welcome. PM me.So which rule was broken?
I am presuming it was performed offline and I am guessing it has to do with Casino City buying the APCW, judging on what Lou posted on the GPWA. Am I right?
@ArjunCAP 186737 wrote:
If you do have any questions about why someone was banned, you can contact the Professor directly via PM or e-mail.
I agree 100%! Anyone that has an issue with being banned should handle it privately. Public fighting serves no good purpose and cause some in the community, that don’t want to be dragged in the situation, to feel uncomfortable whether they make it known or not.
Although some folks thrive on drama, we don’t need it here (other than in the Politicial section) LOL and we all know the forums to visit if drama is the thrill that we are seeking. :hattip:
@Webzcas 186738 wrote:
So which rule was broken?
I am presuming it was performed offline and I am guessing it has to do with Casino City buying the APCW, judging on what Lou posted on the GPWA. Am I right?
Actually, that is incorrect. As I mentioned to Nandakishore, if you have any questions regarding why a particular member was banned, you can take those up in private by e-mailing someone on the team.
Let’s try to not to turn this thread into a CAP vs. GPWA thread, although given the title it seems like that may be where it’s headed. Nothing is solved by arguing in a forum, so the thread will have to be closed if the thread does take that route. Any unresolved matters amongst the two will be discussed between the two.
@GamTrak 186739 wrote:
I agree 100%! Anyone that has an issue with being banned should handle it privately. Public fighting serves no good purpose and cause some in the community, that don’t want to be dragged in the situation, to feel uncomfortable whether they make it known or not.
Although some folks thrive on drama, we don’t need it here (other than in the Policial section) LOL and we all know the forums to visit if drama is the thrill that we are seeking. :hattip:
I respectfully disagree. This has nothing to do with drama or board wars. This affects our industry, as the two largest Affiliate Communities have fallen out with each other. Surely both GPWA and CAP should be on the same page working together.
This is in my opinion a very important issue and one that should not only be resolved, but the affiliates who are members of both communities should be told as to what has happened.
Whether you agree or not, Michael and his team are highly respected in the industry as are Lou and his team. I am hoping that they can work out any issues they may have with each other in London come January.
@GamTrak 186739 wrote:
I agree 100%! Anyone that has an issue with being banned should handle it privately. Public fighting serves no good purpose and cause some in the community, that don’t want to be dragged in the situation, to feel uncomfortable whether they make it known or not.
Although some folks thrive on drama, we don’t need it here (other than in the Politicial section) LOL and we all know the forums to visit if drama is the thrill that we are seeking. :hattip:
150% agree – Question is would any of these so called issues be an issue if Michael hadn’t posted his poll – The answer is no – The whole thing is being blown out of proportion and dragged on and being forced into the public domain.
Whilst the GPWA thread has gone on – CAP has had hundreds of great debates and discussions of whats going on in our industry from SEO and UIEGA through to a thread raising money for a fellow member who is stuggling right now and not once did this so called crisis come up (please note I am not saying these discussions aren’t happening at GPWA either, it is just that they are completely overshadowed by this really negative and TBH witch hunt like discussion at times)
Lets just let discussions go on behind the scenes and get on with moving our industry forward and doing what we do best, being a community of affiliates
Honestly I really can’t be bothered to comment on this again – It is just wasting all of our time
@Webzcas 186742 wrote:
I respectfully disagree. This has nothing to do with drama or board wars. This affects our industry, as the two largest Affiliate Communities have fallen out with each other. Surely both GPWA and CAP should be on the same page working together.
This is in my opinion a very important issue and one that should not only be resolved, but the affiliates who are members of both communities should be told as to what has happened.
Whether you agree or not, Michael and his team are highly respected in the industry as are Lou and his team. I am hoping that they can work out any issues they may have with each other in London come January.
Hi Webzcas,
I hope you know that I have the utmost respect for you as well as Nandakishore!
While I can see where you are coming from, I just know from personal experience that the public fighting does not help. I once had a forum war with someone that I am great friends with now and that would never have happened if the two of us did not handle it in private and therefore making our face to face accidental meeting at a conference turn into a awesome evening. I now truly like this person a lot and if I would have allowed myself to continue to be dragged in a public forum war that would never have happened.
That is the reason for my opinion. While it’s good for drama it’s really NO ONES business other than the two parties involved whether it be Lou/Michael or Lou and the indiviuals that feel they were wrongly banned.
I was around for some of the bans and I have to say that being a forum owner I would have done the same thing under the circumstances! IMO just because you are forum owner you don’t have to let others dictate how you run your business because you will never be able to make everyone happy nor should you be forced to!
Peace :hattip:
I love these kinds of threads. Not so much for the drama, but I am truly entertained by the passion people show towards one forum or another. It’s just a forum, people, not even a website!?! There is almost no original content – you are those who “update” and add anything of value, not Lou or Michael!
I am a member of both forums, but to tell you the truth – If they both disappear tomorrow it will be all business for me, nothing will change. Yeah, I may not have a place to shoot the breeze, but on the bright side – I’ll get much more work done
CAP Sucks –
a.) Most of us are actually well aware how CAP certification works. There is no need for discussions and whining about on this topic.
b.) With the introduction of GamTrack now for the first time we have a moderator who is not afraid to call members – idiots. That just comes to show you the direction of the forum.
c.) There is a really good chance you will be banned if you question “the establishment”. But then again, if I had a forum, I probably would ban people for disagreeing with me. And if you really, really, really want to be a member after getting banned, you can always sign up with a different nick.
d.) Keeping up with the Joneses too much – the AGD, the news section, the CAP seal, etc.GPWA Sucks-
a.) Not much going on, honestly. There is the lack of discussion and usually the threads are one way only (either everyone agrees or disagrees). Perfect example is the PlayBoy casino – it was a good thread (although some folks got a bit personal), but ever since I have not posted. The fact that people still remember this thread speaks volumes.
b.) Personal information – I don’t like the fact that you have to disclose all your personal info to become GPWA portal. At least that’s how it was a couple of years back, don’t know about now.
c.) Anarchy – I love the fact that GPAW will not ban you for disagreeing with the forum’s line, but this freedom spills often into anarchy and results in personal offences which in turn overtake the actual discussion (again, Playboy casino example).Bottom line – pick your poison. I am more active at CAP because I love discussions and don’t care about getting a “fuzzy” feeling (which by the way you can get at CAP, too, if certain requirements are met). There are a few webmasters active there, whose opinion I highly value and I am always ready to start a discussion with them.
I am also sad to learn that some of you think that “the industry should unite” means that “CAP and GPWA should work together”. Sorry to tell you, but CAP and GPWA are NOT the industry. I am the industry and so are you, but not CAP and GPWA. And if you clear your heads from the Kool-Aid (either CAP’s or GPWA’s) you will realize that neither forum has done anything of value for the industry. Here I should mention that I give enormous credit to Michael for his brass balls and the lawsuit, but this had nothing to do with GPWA.
And if GPWA wants to see more active members – they should seriously shake things up. And if CAP doesn’t want to see an outflow of active members, they should too shake a few “things”
See? I just shot the breeze and now I am going back to work without the slightest care how this dispute between Lou and Michael will work out. I will be back, though, to check on how many people will dog me for being the “Antichrist”
Stupid – Couldn’t agree with everything you said more. We would get much further along if all of our discussions could get straight to the truth instead of politic-ing it up.
it never hurts to extend an olive branch. the worst that can happen is it is refused.
@Stupid 186748 wrote:
I love these kinds of threads. Not so much for the drama,
That a Lie and you know it! :flush:
CAP will remain professional and any forum bashing threads that are started within our community, even if they are targeting GPWA, shall be removed if the CAP Moderators and Administrators deem it necessary.
You are a trouble maker and I want you to leave my name out of your hate-mongoring idiotic mouth! You best adhere to the rules before you find yourself bitchin about being banned as well. LEAVE ME OUT OF YOUR CRAP!
CAP will remain professional = your hate-mongoring idiotic mouth?!?
Oh, how have times changed…professional used to mean something a lot different back in the good ole days…
Stupid may have differing opinions than the norm, and they may upset you Gamtrak, but you basically just broke the rules by calling him an idiot and by those standards you should be banned. I do think your intentions are in general good for this forum, but you come off very unprofessional when you call people names and then defend the rule that says no personal attacks should be made.
@Stupid 186748 wrote:
Sorry to tell you, but CAP and GPWA are NOT the industry. I am the industry and so are you, but not CAP and GPWA.
I will be back, though, to check on how many people will dog me for being the “Antichrist”
Can I call you the Messiah?
