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Hi Nic, why not consider talking to the powers at be for a change in the way you handle manager credits with affiliates. The problem we as affiliates have with programs like yours is that we don’t see this happening with other rtg programs we promote. Meaning, our earnings don’t conveniently disappear because of all this fantasy money given out. Everyone knows what the deal is, you bring all this money in the door so your sitting with a nice profit, while the affiliate is sucking high in tit because their affiliate earnings are disappearing by all the fantasy money that {in essence} has really never left your pocket.
Thats garbage Nic and everyone knows it. I bet there are so many bonuses sitting in players accounts that they don’t even know it, and what this does is keep money in your pocket while taking it out of ours. This is a smart bunch, and before this gets out of hand I would recommend you take the bull by the horns and forget about who is right or not and find a solution since your the only program that affiliates seem to have this same problem with.
The bottom line, its garbage that affiliates are not paid profits created by their hard work because they are negated by this bull shit fantasy money your program excessively give out.
Again, affiliates don’t bitch about this with other rtg programs because it is not excessive. What would be fair to me is to take manager credits out of the equation completely unless the money actually leaves your door, meaning a cashout. Then affiliates are being paid a true % of the NET PROFIT and not some skewed number dictated by some manager who decides to put a $500 bonus in a players account that might not ever play again because he missed that email about the bonus, meanwhile that affiliate just lost $125, 25% of $500. I would be curious how much fantasy money is sitting in players accounts that don’t even know it. $400K?, $500K? Whatever it is I don’t know but I am sure its a big number and your holding a lot of money that is rightfully due to affiliates. There is no reason in the world why you should generate a profit from a player, while the affiliate earns nothing and that is what is happening, there is no denying it.
Anyway, you should look at finding a solution Nic, your not making much headway here and challenging affiliates, no matter who is right or wrong is probably going to bite you in the ass not only now but in the future. GL
Hi Guys,
First off, sorry if I lost my professionalism back there; I was wrong to post the way I did. To my defense, not a very good one, I am working very hard to make this program work, and on the affiliate side I am working on an honest level, and I believe the casino side is too, but I don’t’ take this for granted and will make sure to verify.
I would like to clear that I am not intending in any way to undermining the professor’s authority or integrity and much less challenge affiliates. I have a strong professional respect for someone who has managed to create such a wonderful and invaluable recourse for affiliates and managers alike. Mistakes can be made on either side and if I find myself in the wrong I will be more then glad to admit it; I am interested in both the programs and my long term reputation in the industry.
Now, I see what many of you are saying that manager credits can be applied in sly ways in inactive accounts… I apologize I did not realize this earlier.
From my understanding money given to players to reactivate is given to them in a coupon code which only affects you when the player uses the coupon. Even though the amount is non-cashable, the player can still cash out on that money until they loose it. Since let’s say for example they have a $100 credit, play it up to $200, cash out $100 and those $100 that were cashed out would be a negative, the other $100 would be taken off the players account and should not affect your stats. If they player looses the credit it also shouldn’t affect your stats either, since the $100 would go onto the net profit, then $100 reduced and you would have $0 commission; something not affecting you.
But I do see how manager credits can be used in a negative manner. I pledge to make an in-depth investigation about this causation of manager credits in inactive accounts, but I won’t have time to do it this month. I shall give you an answer by the 15th of August about this particular accusation.
I would like to point out that just because high manager credits are applied, the affiliate is NOT necessarily in the negative. If the manager credits and the deposits are lost, the affiliate will always receive the right amount ($100 deposit + $100 manager credit = $200 Net Win – $100 manager credit = $100 net profit / 3 = $30 commission). I would really like it if someone that has stats that include high manager credits and yet receive commission would post those, I want to deal with the inactive account accusation, as that is plausible, but declaring “commissions are dissolved” I think should be changed to “commissions CAN be dissolved”.
If anybody want their stats to be included in the investigation I will be doing into inactive player account from affiliates, please let me know to my email nicolas at gamblingwages dot com and include your GW username. I am confident there is nothing wrong, but I won’t take this for granted, I am all ears to make sure this program is clean.
Now about professor’s stats; I am sure 99% of the negative came from a winning high roller. I really would like to chat with you personally so I can show you screen shots from RTG of your player’s activity. I will check all your player accounts to make sure the tactic of applying manager credits to inactive accounts is not the case. If it is I will make sure you receive what is rightfully yours.
I know and appreciate you guys, since I pay my bills thanks to you; and I remember this everyday. I am at the service of this community and want to see things straightened out, whether it is a ruling against the program or for it. I will look into this pending issue, but please someone help me straighten out that you CAN make money even when high manager credits are applied. I know there are people reading this thread that have stats for months with high manager credits and WITH profits earned. These credits I admit COULD be a sign of abuse, but are not NECESSARILY a sign of abuse.
Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
GamblingWages Affiliate ManagerNicolas, I appreciate you and the work you put into the program, I don’t think anything here is a personal attack against you.
When I go back and look at my stats summary, I can tell you that my manager credits are more then double the amount of deposits that I have. I have made some profit, not much…and yes…you still owe me
I know it’s possible, but the amount made on another model would be more I feel.Could there be another item that inflates stats? Many of the bonuses are removed from withdrawels at cashin, also some players cash in more they they are allowed too when using bonus codes. These monies are then removed from the players payments by accounting , after the cashin has been cleared out of the account. Now what does accounting do with these extra funds that reflect like winnings? Do they then get relected back into the stats, or does accounting simply just axe the extra off players payments and leave the stats be?
@belgamo 132867 wrote:
Could there be another item that inflates stats? Many of the bonuses are removed from withdrawels at cashin, also some players cash in more they they are allowed too when using bonus codes. These monies are then removed from the players payments by accounting , after the cashin has been cleared out of the account. Now what does accounting do with these extra funds that reflect like winnings? Do they then get relected back into the stats, or does accounting simply just axe the extra off players payments and leave the stats be?
I had that issue with connect to casino years ago… people win 40K and can only cash out 2, im stuck at neg 38K lol (back when connect 2 did revshare)
when they cleaned up the extra cash I had a 22K payout, then they axed the revshare and paid me CPA :Cry:
Ok Nic,
I think I understand where you’re coming from about the credits issue.
willing to give it a try.
but you still gotta address my issue about your quota?
as YOU requested .. I started another thread.
please address that issue and then we’re off and running. However I warn…. I will not be intimidated. If I send a player .. that’s my player. There’s no excuse for quotas. if you have the time and will to do the paperwork to take my player’s money ….. you sure can take the time to send me my cut …. every month.. whether I send more players or not.
trust builds trust. show me I don’t have to fear losing a big player just because I didn’t send somebody else …. and I’m in. *and will hold you to your promise that you’ll make sure my players are paid.
I think that’s fair. but you can reply in the separate thread if that makes you happy. just want to know ….
Hi Everyone,
I am posting my stats because I am hoping it will help. We have an affiliate manager that is ready, willing and eager to clear up this matter and I know it’s appriciated by many to have someone so responsive and willing to get in the line of fire. Maybe we can all get a better understanding. I have been an affiliate for a long time but fairly new in promoting them. Like I said in previous posts, I seldom look at bonuses and mostly at deposits and net profit. As Nicolas said, if there is a problem with the bonuses, whether coupon or manager, I feel he will be forthright.
April:
Number of Players: 1
Number of New Depositors: 0
Total Initial Deposits: $0.00
Total Deposits: $1,750.00
Net Win: $7,445.86
Coupon Amounts Awarded: $4,420.00
Manager Credit Amounts Awarded: $2,492.00
ChargeBacks: $0.00
Net Profit: (Net Win – Coupons – Credits – Chargebacks) $533.86May:
Number of Players: 6
Number of New Depositors: 0
Total Initial Deposits: $0.00
Total Deposits: $7,950.00
Net Win: $34,308.44
Coupon Amounts Awarded: $28,344.00
Manager Credit Amounts Awarded: $622.50
ChargeBacks: $0.00
Net Profit: (Net Win – Coupons – Credits – Chargebacks) $5,341.94June:
Number of Players: 5
Number of New Depositors: 0
Total Initial Deposits: $0.00
Total Deposits: $0.00
Net Win: $4,145.28
Coupon Amounts Awarded: $100.00
Manager Credit Amounts Awarded: $2,048.00
ChargeBacks: $0.00
Net Profit: (Net Win – Coupons – Credits – Chargebacks) $1,997.28Mojo
This looks all crazy to me.
One month it’s mostly bonuses, the next manager credits. And the amounts are horrendous.
It’s not all that useful without knowing what you got paid in the end.
@Dominique 132898 wrote:
This looks all crazy to me.
One month it’s mostly bonuses, the next manager credits. And the amounts are horrendous.
It’s not all that useful without knowing what you got paid in the end.
I got paid the 30% commission on the Net Profit for each month. Sorry if it is not useful. I thought it may help.
Mojo
Coupon Amounts Awarded: $28,344.00
Manager Credit Amounts Awarded: $622.50Coupon Amounts Awarded: $100.00
Manager Credit Amounts Awarded: $2,048.00that is odd. no getting around it.
what was explained to me is manager credits are an attempt to get players to come back and play.
that where the problem comes in is that often these Mcredits are left in inactive accounts and therefore the aff gets it deducted.
now that said: I am told that GW is actually being more upfront by showing these Mcredits where as many other RTGs don’t.
but if that is true .. what I don’t understand is why these “come back credits” aren’t then deducted again at end of month …. much like vegas partners used to do … (not that I’d recommend them)
so that it may be possible …… that the Prof just caught a bad 3 month run of winners.
cannot say … and still have to say if it was me …. and I’d sent 3 months worth of the kind of income he earned for the casinos….. that I’d too … be upset I saw nothing for my troubles.
I think as we all know … 90% of the time there is a winner … they come back and lose it back within the next 30 to 45 days.
so …. and I hope I’m explaining and understand correctly so far …. then if all that is true …. then the Prof should have one hell of a good month next month.
But again I say … the way RTG goes about all this … only breeds mistrust and I’d imagine loses many affs when they see these kind of stats. I know I’d be running …. and since a player is for life … it shouldn’t matter if I took down their links … I should still have a good upcoming month when all this money that supposedly was won … come back to lose it back.
Now we come to my issue about the quota. If I didn’t send a player that following month when I should be seeing so much of this money coming back in ….. I stand to lose out on it … if I didn’t meet their quota.
again Nic ….. you haven’t answered the thread i created upon your request to keep these issues separate .. so I’m gonna speak here.
I may be wrong about the whole credit/bonus process. I know I’m not wrong about the quota. Gotta go Nic. Talk to your people. Intimidation will hurt you more than help.
I think anybody’d be a fool to sign up for a program that uses intimidation to force affs to produce players.
So even if the bonus/credit issue is proven to be straight up …. setting quotas ….. just won’t be accepted by any aff who reserves the right to take down or move back the links of a casino not making as much as the next possible choice.
all we can do is send traffic. once it gets to your site …. its your job to convert. Now if the quota was to send one hit …. that’s acceptable. but asking us to do your job and using intimidation to do it ….. will never float with majority of expereinced vets in this industry.
Why not just do what’s right? pay us for players we sent …. the fair commission agreed upon when we entered into the agreement?
*I really do think I have somewhat a handle on Nic’s point about the credit/bonus thing. still think its wrong way to go about it …. but think I understand it. Intimidation … is never understandable.
I agree bb. It is very difficult to read and I completely understand the confusion. When you get good depositers like in my case you tend to learn these stats real quick. They did not rip me off. These 3 months I earned what the net profit says and I am paid up to date. July is looking good too.
That said I am interested too about the valid points brought up here about the hows and whys the bonuses are done as they are. It really does look bleak when a player is winning. I can also show stats where I am negetive at another GW casino. CAP is always a valuable venue to discuss important issues like this. I am sure Nicolas will address all but first I hope he got some well deserved rest and maybe a little fun!
Mojo
umm… I don’t active advertise your program and any links up are old and plain forgotten believe me. I am not in this tiff here at all or taking sides I believe I said that from the start, what I did say and what I do know for a fact is that RTG stats can and are at times changed, plain and simple!
Now I did not say if they were changed towards the good of the aff or changed against an aff but stats have been at times tweaked, and I am not saying for this against GW either like I did state in my first post.
Just want to add that the reason for the GW program not being promoted more on my sites is due to the manager bonuses just plain killing me so there fore I choose to just not promote the program and go with one that does work well for me.
Thanks@mojo 132895 wrote:
Hi Everyone,
I am posting my stats because I am hoping it will help. We have an affiliate manager that is ready, willing and eager to clear up this matter and I know it’s appriciated by many to have someone so responsive and willing to get in the line of fire. Maybe we can all get a better understanding. I have been an affiliate for a long time but fairly new in promoting them. Like I said in previous posts, I seldom look at bonuses and mostly at deposits and net profit. As Nicolas said, if there is a problem with the bonuses, whether coupon or manager, I feel he will be forthright.
April:
Number of Players: 1
Number of New Depositors: 0
Total Initial Deposits: $0.00
Total Deposits: $1,750.00
Net Win: $7,445.86
Coupon Amounts Awarded: $4,420.00
Manager Credit Amounts Awarded: $2,492.00
ChargeBacks: $0.00
Net Profit: (Net Win – Coupons – Credits – Chargebacks) $533.86The question here is how much of that $1750 deposited in April was actually lost. The odds say it was all lost, but then they put some fantasy money in your players accounts bringing the net profit down to $533. If this is the case it is a classic example of the bonus abuse being talked about here. Thats the whole problem, they pay you about a buck fifty commission while they are sitting on about $1600 profit in the door from the $1750, in other words your making about 10% rev share.
At the risk of being unpopular yet again, the title of this thread does NOt invite affiliate managers to partake. Why can’t we discuss these accusations as affiliates reasonably before we throw it out to newbies that THEY STEAL. I do see some trying to figure out and have legit questions. There is alot of damage being done here and I don’t know why and what is the motivation.
Mojo
@Bonusgeek 132924 wrote:
The question here is how much of that $1750 deposited in April was actually lost. The odds say it was all lost, but then they put some fantasy money in your players accounts bringing the net profit down to $533. If this is the case it is a classic example of the bonus abuse being talked about here. Thats the whole problem, they pay you about a buck fifty commission while they are sitting on about $1600 profit in the door from the $1750, in other words your making about 10% rev share.
Hi Bonusgeek,
We crossed posted lol. I can tell you that if you look at all 3 months that I posted, I got paid on the deposits. I have no concern for the bonuses. Please look at the following months. I have gotten paid my percentage for the entire 9k deposit. I don’t know how I could make that more clear. This is just not fair to accuse someone of stealing.
Mojo
