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Nicolas my whole argument hinges on the stats for the last three months that I posted and you are avoiding that.
It’s obvious you cant or wont address the rediculous level of the Manager Credits and Coupons being given to my players.
I suppose if you did honestly comment on this situation you would probably lose your job and they wouldnt pay YOU either, so I will stop asking you to do so.
The numbers speak for themselves.
I think we have gone round and round enough on this. You are now well aware that I do not accept this abuse by the casino so I suggest you contact the managers in question who are doling out all these coupouns and credits and ask them to stop, they obviously didnt realize which affiliate they were victimizing.
Hi gain all,
Nic give you credit for one thing …. you ain’t run away from this.
However … you somehow missed answering my last question.
Who is in charge of handing out these bonuses/manager credits?
you said the stats cannot be tampered with by anybody ….. its all done by RTG.
So are you saying RTG hands out …… makes the decisions on who gets and how much in terms of credits and bonuses?
or is that falling into the decision of the repsective casino?
To me ……. that answer is gonna either give a lot of credibility to your cause … or seriously hurt it.
please answer the question. Who hands out the bonuses/ credits? RTG … or the casino in question?
thank you.
they obviously didnt realize which affiliate they were victimizing
I don’t think it matters what affiliate, it is just plain wrong to any one of us, no offense intended Professor.
Hi Professor,
I did address this issue. I told you to please look at the promos of the casinos YOU promote;
http://www.cirruscasino.com/promotions_todays.php
If you would only look at that, you will see why so many credits were given, in fact, the 200-300% of credits given to your players is below what some of the bonuses offer (up to 500%). Manager credits come from THESE promos, so that address your issue.Now would you be so kind as to address my issue and prove to everyone that before you did not receive such manager credits and that this recent application of credits is what is killing you?
I am not going to get fired for addressing this issue, and if I was, well so be it, I prefer to be unemployed and honest; but I won’t be fired since I am sure this is a misunderstanding. I am even willing to send you screen shots of what happened from the RTG back end. But for the public’s sake, you should post those old stats to make things clear. Those stats for January, February, March and April are what will make or break your argument, so please post them.
To Cagney12,
If we only gave bonuses away then we would not be profitable. Players claim all types of things, how many threads have you seen where players claim one game or another is righted because they loose 20 times in a row. Fact is I remember you complaining about how we owed you money (which I believe we paid). Obviously we couldn’t have been giving that many free chips to the same players since you did receive commissions (and in accordance to the deposits made by your players)
Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
GamblingWages Affiliate Managermust have missed my second request about who handles the handing out of these bonuses and credits….. so i’ll ask a third time.
is it RTG… or the casinos that assigns them?
Hi Bb1webs,
I did answer that the first time you asked, if you would only read my post http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.com/bb/showpost.php?p=132705&postcount=8
In any case, once the old stats are posted I will be able to clearly explain what is going on… it is all just a misunderstanding.
Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
GamblingWages Affiliate ManagerI am quite sure the operator hands out the manager bonuses.
Inetbet routinely sends them to their better players every month. They do like 15 to 50 bucks as a retention bonus, it gets the better players to come back sooner. You see them at other RTG too, but nothing this outrageously high.
Nicolas, I am quoting what I was told by a friend tht plays at Cirrus, if I knew more than that, I would say. I don’t know what they deposit, or what they claim for their deposits and I haven’t experienced first hand as I don’t play at Cirrus Casino.
And no….I’m not paid yet, you gave me a mctn to pick it up last month and the funds were not there, I have yet to receive them, I asked you last week, you said this week….I haven’t heard nor have I asked.
Nicolas, I know you are trying very hard to do a wonderful job for Gambling Wages, and I respect your sticking in there, but I also know not every thing is in your hands…..
BB1 the Casino awards the bonuses NOT RTG. You know that, I know that and Nicolas knows that.
Hats off to his stage presence, he ducks better then Muhamed Ali.
He continues to bob and weave over my questions also. We are wasting our breath.
I do have a few private messages from other affiliates who wanted to share their thoughts but were uncomfortable with being seen as confrontational. I have asked them if its ok to post their input anonymously and am awaiting a response.
Quote:I don’t think it matters what affiliate, it is just plain wrong to any one of us, no offense intended Professor.Cagney I agree 100% the reason I said that was because Nicolas stated this earlier in the thread down in the Gambling Wages area:
Quote:I mean first I don’t have control over your stats, but even if I did, you would think I would choose someone other then YOU, the administrator of the most read affiliate forum to shave from???How about a community chat, one affiliate manager at a time, then the community can ask questions, comment or bring forth concerns about a program? The affiliate manager would not have time to be fed their answers from other office management.
I just heard back from one of the affiliates and here was there input:
Quote:Hi Lou,
I felt this topic was important enough that I wanted to get you pointed in the right direction.I have been arguing the exact same thing as you for years. They are shaving, well, butchering is more like it.
For me, this goes all the way back to a guy named David Malloy. I got no where with Simon on the matter, then he quit, but when John Hartley took over, the truth came out, and this was subsequently verified by Jon Jon, who like all the others could do nothing to fix it.
I went thru loads of crap with Natilie on it as well, and again, they all refused
to acknowledge the error in their accounting.Actually, Natilie never really understood it as far as I could tell, or if she did,
she was running interference for them. I don’t think she was though. I just
don’t think she could get a grip on how to do the math. It is rather confusing
as you will see when you try to calculate those Manager bonuses out.That said, here’s the real issue, and truth in what they are doing.
Those HUGE manager bonuses are NOT cashable to the player. They remain in the account, and at the months end are not factored out to reflect the TRUE net loss.
At one point, they owed me over 12k, and I never saw it of course. Cirrus and Club Player mainly. This seems to happen with big players.
The guy I had in there for years was depositing 5, and many times 10k at a whack, and getting a matching “Manager Bonus” He would lose 20k, {the 10k real, and the 10k non cashable},and my commission would be ZERO for the month while gambling wages went to the bank with the 10k real, and the affiliate gets ZIP.
Where it gets confusing is when the player has only lost, lets say,…. 6 grand
at month end.In this example, The stats will show he has 14k in his account against a 10k deposit. Or he is 4 grand up on the casino, when in fact he is actually 6k REAL down. Your commission will show a negative on the foney 4k that it shows him as being up. So instead of you getting paid on the 6k, you get a perpetual negative month after month as long as they are enticing the big depositor with those non cashable bonuses.
See, it gets confusing as hell.
Factor those manager bonuses out of their stats, and that should give the honest commission you were due.
I hope that helps, and more importantly, I hope this gets resolved so people don’t get screwed by these people anymore!
Hats off to his stage presence, he ducks better then Muhamed Ali.
He continues to bob and weave over my questions also. We are wasting our breath.
Professor, what question did I not answer?
And why don’t you post your old stats?
You accuse us of something and present half the evidence, please post the other half.
Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
GamblingWages Affiliate Managerwow . even I understood that explanation.
and not good.
I think there’s bigger fish to fry after Prof’s last post than his previous stats.
just doesn’t look right. that said ….. I do know someone who makes a few grand every month at GW.
can’t say why one person sees such instances while another doesn’t.
but I don’t see why you need Prof’s previous stats to prove your point.
fact remains ….. what was posted …. well gonna be tough to explain that.
Hi Bbwebs1,
If only professor would post his old stats, you will be able to see this explanation is CLEARLY not true… it all hinges on those old stats.
Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
GamblingWages Affiliate Manager
