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They are shaving earnings with a chain saw:
http://www.casinoaffiliateprograms.com/bb/please-explain-exactly-why-this-isnt-shaving.21710.html?
Hi,
In case you did not know, we CANOT effect your affiliate stats, ask anyone that knows RTG, we do not generate the stats, we only display what comes from the RTG back end.
Now I checked your players, and there is nothing strange. You sent 3 new depositors. And the total all your players deposited was 7K. There were many withdrawals that add up to more then that. Mainly you have a high roller who joined in February and deposited almost 18k yet has withdrawn over 17k.
You were enjoying when that player lost in the beginning of the year, but now he is wining, nothing we can do about this.
If you want screen shots, I will gladly provide that for you. If you want me to request to RTG to remove this player from your account I can do that too (notice how I have to REQUEST to RTG that they remove a player, since RTG affiliate stats are out of any affiliate programs control)
And about the selective shaving, that theory makes no sense. I mean first I don’t have control over your stats, but even if I did, you would think I would choose someone other then YOU, the administrator of the most read affiliate forum to shave from?
Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
GamblingWages Affiliate ManagerNicolas the CASINO is the one thats jacking around the numbers to ensure I earn nothing every month. If you review what I posted in the Gambling Wages area that will be CRYSTAL CLEAR.
I actually DO earn money with many RTG operators and NONE of them repeat NONE of them show such abusive behavior of Manager Credits and Coupons. This is Unique to Cirrus Casino and it IS happening.
Understood Professer and I respect that you are having a problem with Gambling Wages and I hope it works out. I will go on the record that they are not scrapers, players are paid and I have been paid up to date. They owe me for June. I will let the stats speak for themselves.
Best Regards,
Never earned money here but then again never really promote them either due to there have been past issues with these casinos.
AND let me just say ummm yeah RTG stats can be fumbled with and I will just leave it at that!
Hi Everyone,
I am still convinced that this is a misunderstanding and my point has not been dealt with.
Professor, I would really appreciate it if you took the time to post your stats for months before May. I think people like Goldfinger may be mislead since the stats you posted can give the wrong impression since they are only one side of the coin; before May we were giving JUST AS MANY credits, YOUR STAST LOOKED ALMOST THE SAME, yet since your players lost, you earned money, and you didn’t complain about the credit THEN.
I think that if you post your stats for January, February, March and April, people will be able to see the full picture. In your other stats, your players loose their money so the net win is huge (since this includes bonus money) yet the net profit is the lost deposits. If you would only post THOSE stats, I think it will be clear what is happening (it is not shaving just a misunderstanding about our stats).
Your players won, the odds are the same for everyone and people are bound to win, even 3 months in a row, it is not uncommon. But players winning are not a sign of foul play; you MUST make this distinction.
To Bonustreak,
I checked your page and you only have our free chip listed. I am not surprised you have not made any money…. Maybe if you promoted a sign up bonus, that required a deposit, you could make money?
In any case, I don’t have control over your stats. I can’t leave it at that, since what you are claiming is impossible. I have been in the industry 5 years and I know of software where managers can manipulate affiliate stats, but RTG is not one of those software. Ask anyone that knows RTG; affiliate stats from RTG are produced by the software provider, as an operator WE HAVE NO CONTROL over affiliate stats.
Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
GamblingWages Affiliate ManagerHi Nic,
who controls the hand out of manager credits and bonuses?
thanks
Hi bb1webs,
That depends on the bonus a player accepts. If a player took say the 115% No maximum cash out bonus, that would come up under bonus amounts. But if you notice the promo on the page http://www.cirruscasino.com/promotions_todays.php you will see that if you use any coupon 5 times and can’t win, you will get a 100% Insurance for a second try. If I am not mistaken, this insurance part would come up as a manager credit.
There are other situations when manager credits are applied, like when a bonus doesn’t automatically go through; a manager will credit it manually.
In any case, the truth about what’s going on with Professor’s stats is in what happened BEFORE May, when his players were losing and receiving the same credits. The only difference now is that they are winning.
Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
GamblingWages Affiliate ManagerNo Nicolas the proof is clearly visible on the screen.
Cirrus Casino Managers are awarding an insane amount of Coupons and Credits effectively cancelling out my commissions every month.
Your stats show that is happening.
People who look at the screens agree that the numbers are absurd.
For some reason you continue to evade that point and want to say because I earned commissions in the past I should turn a blind eye to the abuse that is going on now. My previous commissions are NOT the problem. The problem is excessive Coupons and Credits cancelling out affiliate earnings.
Other RTG Operators are NOT doing the same thing.
Why are credits and coupons removed at 100% value from my commisions? If I am only paid a percentage of actual net win why am I charged 100% for comps and freebies you guys want to hand out as freely as candy?
I agree with Prof 100%. It is easy to see abuse in the numbers. This is just NOT a typical use of manager credits. It’s obvious and blatant and should be rectified.
That many ‘manager credits’ is just not given out. It doesn’t make sense except for the reasons that I think MOST of us believe…. effective nullification of affiliate earnings.
Sorry – but that is MY (and I would bet MANY) opinion(s).
Hi Professor,
Ok, professor, I will look further into this; but please answer this question; if “manager credits” are what is shaving your commissions, then in past months, when you got paid, there shouldn’t be this “excessive amount” of credits for January, February, March and April, right?
Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
GamblingWages Affiliate ManagerLets see the entire story?
perhaps it would help us all prof if you posted Jan, Feb and March stats to to see how the manager credits apply?
Were they as high in those months as they are in the next 3?
anyone can have a bad month or two or even three months out of a year or a 6 month period. what counts to me is how it looks overall.
I have months that I don’t make money to but it’s the overall picture and stats over the corse of a year that count most to me.
:hattip:
In previous months the Manager Credits and Coupons were not cancelling out my commission or I would have noted and reported the discrepency.
They are NOW.
Clearly the market is NOT the same as it was year ago. I understand that banking difficulties are causing cash flow issues for the casinos and this may be prompting behavior NOW that was not done in the past.
But just because times are tight is not an excuse to use the credits and coupons to cancel out affiliate commissions. I suspect that is what the underlying cause is, but again this is not an acceptable means for the casinos to reduce costs and moderate cash flow.
I know a Cirrus player that claims they “always have money in their account” , if the manager is just going thru and giving bonus money I call that shaving. This player claims they never have to ask for a bonus, little do they know how it hurts the affiliate, and I am certain if a player doesn’t log into the casino to see the bonus money in their account, it is removed after the 1st?
Hi Professor,
Your whole argument hinges on that on past month we didn’t apply such promo credits.
I do not mean to be defiant, but if you would only post your stats for before May, you could help clear that what you are saying is the case. You posted your May, June and July stats, why don’t you post your January, February, March and April ones?
I really don’t want to be offensive, but I believe everyone has a right to see what was happening before, so they can see what change. I want to make sure you get all your money (and anyone else that is owed) and I know our stats can be confusing; so please help me clear this issue by posting these past stats.
I just want everything to be transparent so we can solve this issue.
Kind Regards,
Nicolas Johnson
GamblingWages Affiliate Manager
