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Hello Everybody,
I would definately have to say that some of the casino affiliate programs give some webmasters and average of monthly earnings … Certain programs decide you cannot earn more then say XXX profits. Others decide that you do not get big players or that you have pretty good traffic so beef up you sales to get more of it etc …
Here is the big dilema for casinos – If you get what you really sent, then you could buy a casino yourself and compete against them. That is the bottom line, nothing more, nothing less.
I posted this back here after prof made mention up on in the public because talking about the casinos hearing to much makes me nervous when they eventually figure out who you/we are … And I have seen things happen when this occurs. Call me paranoid but well its the truth.
Also there is no use giving new casinos any more ideas as to ways to manipulate there clients …. I would bet that atleast one software company discussed this with there licesee’s at one point or another. Does anyone remember when Casinocoins offered a free casino to large affiliates pulling down a certain amount each month ? Did you notice change of software and the fact no affiliate actually got to that point of recieving a casino ??? Coincidence maybe but not likely as this offer has not been seen again. Nor will it ever be seen again more then likely because the casinos are 100% afraid of any more competition then they already have.
For these reasons I believe our sales may be capped or averaged, as well some here have put more into the advertising then the casinos themselves. As well you can bet that you have not gotten all of the sales the high priced advertising has brought to our web sites. This is but yet another reason that the online casinos are not getting the US legislation breaks that we all are hoping for. Untill these companies realize it or are brought down in market share the legislation cannot and will not begin.
I agree with everything badabing has said above.
It doesnt happen everywhere, but there are a few programs that do this.
as well some here have put more into the advertising then the casinos themselves. As well you can bet that you have not gotten all of the sales the high priced advertising has brought to our web sites.
Hear, hear!!!!!!!!!!
I find it very odd that I can have two consecutive months in the same season, and one month I run a very expensive, large campaign through overture, and the next month I run 3 small campaigns at small ppcs for a pittance, and the results are identical?
I have been telling myself that overture just wasn’t performing anymore, but it makes little sense.
It doesnt happen everywhere, but there are a few programs that do this.
Yip. And I favor the programs that will not behave like that. Because in my opinion, if you really set your mind to promote any specific program, and I mean any, and it is honest, you will succeed.
Yep,
all very interesting and maddening ….
As a affiliate I do know that contacting casino owners rather then affiliate managers is a way to get around some of the dilema. As well I am sure some casino owners are the cause of this, and on the other hand from what I know some programs there are crooked affiliate managers that the owners do not know about.
So what I am saying is that affiliate managers can very easily have there own affiliate account anonyamously and send some of your players to there account. As and added bit of crooked behavior and a bonus to the salary they pull down. Think about it the result is very obvious to us and stopping us from noticing this or reporting it is quite easy. Does anyone remember what happened with Jon Jon ???? He just up and dissapeared and it was knowledge to those in the know that he commited fraud of one nature or another ….
I know about jonjon, and I also know about where he went afterwards….and what organization took him in with open arms under a different name…
Originally posted by Professor
It doesnt happen everywhere, but there are a few programs that do this. [/B]Well if anyone has established patterns which would indicate with great certainty that this is occurring I think we would all like to know – Heck if the same group are gonna make 5,6 figures and others are gonna get shaved – these others might as well drop the program.
So do tell …
Personally I have found the phenomenon of what appears to be “selective shaving” in more than a few programs. Course I reckon it could just be me – crappy sites – crappy traffic – crappy results.
Everytime I make public comments like those Im sure I probably take a huge hit!
Just like at FL – when I complained to JJ and told him to stick it – ALL my past players dissappeared – all my earnings vanished.
Just like last week when I spoke about GSN and Marlo popped in – all the active players from Sept / Oct have vanished in November …
Professor any way to change my nick here so I can be a little more anonymous – LMAO!
(edit – when I said JJ I meant Jonathan)
Arkyt … I think that whatever they gained by stiffing you they more than lost in crediblity … think of all the affiliates who read
that post and what that will do to them in reduced exposure … in my opinion they had a golden opportunity to right a wrong … and
it appears that so far they chose the lower ground.Dominique where did Jon Jon go after ?
I found it very surprising that he left at that particular time.
Arkyt,
Sorry to here that about GSN … they seem to be the most childish of the affiliate programs. If you say something in public or make a comment to them about honesty etc … they tend to take it personally to the point of persecution even when they are in the wrong. They then become very vindictive and prosecute your paycheck. I really do not know why River Nile does not convert but the fact is I have never known a webmaster that it does convert for. As well I do not understand exactly what happened when they opened River Nile and all players I had with Golden Riviera quit making me money …. But I did make some public comments at one of the affiliate conferences about the same time also … I don’t think Marlo has ever liked me though. Another thing that happens is that some of the affiliate managers do not make nearly the amount of money that we do, so they get a sort of jealous chip on there shoulders towards us. This does not seem right but hey its human nature. They sometimes feel if your complaining even when you make there whole monthly salary each month from just one of there casinos that you are the bad person while they are not taking into account advertising, working 60 hours a week and plain old capitalism as the reasons …
badabing – your correct I never thought about it from that point of view. eeeks … I reckon I should be kissing all their arses and stop being so outspoken! Maybe thats truly why I am not selected as often as I should be.
I really am a nice guy – just too much of a straight shooter. You may not always like what I say, but you can rest assured I am always going to say it! Always spoke my mind – hell if you dont no one will do it for you.
That and .005% conversion rates are more than an enigma!
GSN shaves with a chainsaw. They started this crap when they bgean buying other casinos and just got used to it now. They also were big fans of Scumware and defended the practice vigorously in the Bahamas (remember that Badabing?) I wouldn’t bother wasting traffic on them as they only give you what they feel like and Marlo and Manuel dont fel like doling out much.
Only two, Count em Two, people ever claimed to be doing well with them for an extended period. One is Playsafe who won $25K in their webmaster promotion, I have no idea how he does it, but more power to him, I guess they needed one success story to point to and he was excused from the chainsaw.
The other person is DVS who always claims to make a fortune with EVERY program. So go figure. The rest of the webmasters I know report the exact same pattern with these guys, Good in the beginning then about the time they rolled out River Nile revenues suddenly dried up. When you talk to Marlo he seems pleasant and responsive, but nothing ever changes and he never has any real answers to the plunge in commissions.
Wasted breath on that one unfortunately.
Yes,
That is all true, and yes I remember the talk about scumware as well in the Bahamas…. I did do ok with them but well I sent Manuel a email the first month they started shaving, it was titled “if your going to to F**K me please send vaseline” it got better a few months. Then I got into it with Marlo while in the Bahamas he gave me this same old song and dance and I dropped them down to the bottom and all my players quit making me anything. Maybe I should have gotten back to Manuel rather then Marlo as I really did trust Manuel more and did better when he was my affiliate manager. Arkyt dont feel bad I have been very outspoken at times, I bite my tongue in public a bit more now though … sometimes you just have to blend in a bit more in places where everyone is listening. I really do like this private section ….. I hate losing players because I have a outgoing, outspoken personality :laugh:
“if your going to to F**K me please send vaseline”
LMFAO…
Manuel is a straightshooter but he is also stubborn like hell. It takes a long time to convince him to listen to reason.
Marlo is a nice guy, I like him. But those damn casinos don’t do shit for me. Didn’t help that I resisted the group for almost two years though… LOL…
I think I am one of the few who will bite programs extremely hard – both publicly and privately – and still not get shafted – if only because they know I have more teeth than I show
Wow,
Remember what I was saying about a casinos stop converting when they open a new casino or two …. well I see the referback problem now … No big suprise
Coming soon to ReferBack.com:
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Jackpot City French – Les site des plus gros jackpotsYeah its a coincidence alright … and imoho GSN does shave bad … Spearmaster maybe not your account but do you make more with them then others ??? If not they may be shaving just not as much as others … also don’t you post and talk alot on a gambling board ??? if so I guess then they may fear shaving you more then others …. All I can say is the new casinos from referback have to be more then a coincidence with the bad conversions this is something that I have noticed happens often with microgaming casinos ….
Conspiracy theory maybe, but I would bet the bank on this conspiracy theory and I am more of a sure thing bet maker
Some one always has to foot the bill for:
*New casinos
*Expensive booths at conferences and conventions($7500 – $15k handed over to Bald Snake Oil salesman without blinking an eye)
*Shmoozing, Mega bar bills and $1200 Dinners at conventions (I heard an Aff Manager dropped over $2k at a Titty Bar in Montreal)
*Big ticket affiliate prizes like carsStrange how after any of the above occur commissions plunge the following month or two.
