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Can someone from the Poker Room please explain to me exactly how the commissions work for the new casino games now. I was told a year ago that if one of my players plays anything other than poker, I do not get any % of that…..please let me know that this has changed now that you got 5 new casino games!
Thanks in advanceHmmmm.
No reply from the powers-that-be at Pokerroom.
:rolleyes:
Yep, am hoping someone replies by Mon or Tues. if not, guess I’ll take it as nothing has changed since I asked a year ago. Which means we’re sending players to them for free, if they play anything other than poker they do not count as your players.
Poker Room T&C
A. Definition: (the “Service): PokerRoom.com (“PR”) is in the business of producing, marketing, and promoting online casino services (the “Service”), which are accessed on the Internet through the use of a personal computer, modem and/or direct Internet access.
B. Obligations of PR (poker Room)
1. Compensation: As used herein, the Referral Company’s percentage (â€Referral Percentageâ€) shall be defined as the compensation paid to the Referral Company, based on the percentage of actual net revenue received from customers (the “Users”), who utilize the Service after being referred to the Service by the Referral Company. The actual Referral Percentage shall be equal to 30% of net monthly revenue (Net Revenue).I’m not a lawyer, but it says nothing in the T&C (that I either found or understood…) about any of the “services” being exempt from Referral Percentage.
If they are not paying commissions for players in the non-multiplayer poker games, then aren’t they breaking the T&C’s?
Yes, you would think so, but would like to hear from them for sure what they pay and what they don’t.
I was told a long time ago that they were changing their policy to pay rev. share on all games, at that time I wasn’t making anything there to worry about, now we’re picking up new deposits and I want to find out without a doubt that it was changed.Well, I sent them an email asking if the casino-style games were included in the affiliate commission deal, and this is the reply I received:
Hi Janet,
If you look on the first page on the affiliate page it is stated that it is only the Poker 4 games that are included in the affiliate deal that everybody gets.
The reason for this is that in poker it does not matter how many players you have you always make money, you can never loose money since you make money from the rake.
A casino game against the house on the other hand is something completely different. The saying the “house always wins” is only true if you have a critical mass of players. If you do not have this you can have a guy that ruins an affiliate because that affiliate does not have enough other players to compensate for that loss.
Poker has always been PokerRoom.com’s main product and therefore has been the core of the affiliate deal. Recently we have added more casino games and therefore we are building a completely new affiliate system. In that system a lot more statistical tools will be available but also there will be an option for affiliates that have a critical mass of players to add on the casino games one by one. The casino part will be handled as a separate part of the affiliate system since it will be a risk share system, not a revenue share system. However the winnings and losses will affect the poker income i.e. it will be as an actual casino for the affiliates that have the risk share system. Losses in one area effect incomes in others.
I hope this has clarified any questions you have and if you have any further questions, please let me know!
Best wishes,
Thomas
Affiliate Manager
PokerRoom.comOriginally posted by Fergie
A casino game against the house on the other hand is something completely different. The saying the “house always wins” is only true if you have a critical mass of players. If you do not have this you can have a guy that ruins an affiliate because that affiliate does not have enough other players to compensate for that loss.D’oh!!
Just which turnip truck did I fall off of — anyone catch the license number?
I sent Thomas this letter:
Hi, Thomas,
In all due respect, it is the vegas-style casino games that make most affiliates the lions share of their income – losses and wins aside.
To compensate for losses, the vast majority of casino affiliate programs do not carry over negative balances from month to month.
Traffic that we send to you is not free – if we send you traffic and your poker room is making a profit from this traffic playing any games your site offers, it is only fair that we are compensated.
I am not convinced that not giving affiliates a commission based on all Poker Room games is entirely fair to us.
Poker Room has added more vegas-style casino games lately. It appears to be evolving into an online casino AND poker room. I doubt that would be the case if you didn’t find it profitable – and what a great profit when you don’t have to share the profit with the people who send you the players!
Best Regards,
Janetyep, that’s what I was afraid of, this is exactly the same bullshit answer they gave me over a year ago and also promised it was being changed soon.
wonder why Fergie, you and I are the only ones that give a shit about this, I guess other webmasters can afford to send good traffic to a place that recruits them to casino games but doesn’t pay the affiliate on it…..I am in total shock that no one else is saying anything here and really shocked they are not even here in their own “Certified Forum” answering us.
Recently we have added more casino games and therefore we are building a completely new affiliate system. In that system a lot more statistical tools will be available but also there will be an option for affiliates that have a critical mass of players to add on the casino games one by one. The casino part will be handled as a separate part of the affiliate system since it will be a risk share system, not a revenue share system. However the winnings and losses will affect the poker income i.e. it will be as an actual casino for the affiliates that have the risk share system. Losses in one area effect incomes in others.
They wanted advertising like so many others!!!!
Im off to remove ALL their links! I wont give them my high quality traffic for free!
I have to imagine that I have lost a good sum of money thru that vacuum. :devil:
Thanks Ellen and Janet for bringing this to my attention – I had overlooked this on their website. I had assumed incorrectly that I was getting paid for all players I referred.
“Place one of our banners on your site and we will reward you for all depositing players you generate“
OH well – I NEVER thought they were paying me what I rightly earned anyway – GOOD riddens!
I’m removing all their links, too.
[Weee! I just now got a royal flush in 7 Sultans Poker! There’s good fishin there.]
I was just waiting for an answer before speaking. Pretty much agree with all of you. I think it highlights a trend by poker rooms, and sportsbooks to some extent, that when they introduce more ways of getting money from players that we refer, they then forget the other part of the equation which is compensating us.
So what is the solution other than stopping promoting them? Perhaps an affiliate program where there are different compensation methods for different games BUT for the same player. Now this is probably biased to us affiliates but why can’t the poker revenue continue the same, and introduce a rev share component for the casino games. That way our poker revenue is not in jeopardy from the casino games. Looking at both parts separately, the affiliate would receive the same amount as if they were promoting two separate programs and the casino/poker room would being paying out the same amount as if they were two separate entities. The only thing is that they have the same player database. How difficult is that? (Perhaps not as difficult as trying to explain it in words!!!)
The thing that really irks me is these established gambling companies that diversify and use the player database that we helped them establish. But as I write this I’m thinking, I guess we agreed to promote them for a defined compensation which we are being paid in accordance with. Kinda shot myself in the foot with that one I think.
