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OK. This other program is Fortune, and the reason for the delay is because the architect of the new policy is away on a trip.
They are still expected to announce publicly that they are now making an effort to resolve the issue, and they will endeavor to reach this solution within whatever time frame.
Now Referback… you guys keep piling on the pressure from the outside, because they obviously have not felt enough pressure, unlike the other programs who have had to endure extreme pressure for six weeks. They will also be the hardest to break down.
Re: Partnerlogic – I have already sent off a missive and we will see what transpires from that.
Referback will buckle when everyone’s links are gone.
See, Partnerlogic listens to reason
Now if VPL and FL do as expected and revert to the old contracts… we shall see how Referback likes bearing the weight (or lack thereof) of the wrath of ALL the affiliates
Thats exactly what they will be facing ALONE….
I bet that prospect is not as appetizing to them now! :p
I spoke with both Tyrone Zinman and David Sack today and VP and FL have an excellent solution planned that actually is BETTER then the old terms and conditions they had!
The only issue now is adding this back into the stats at Fortune and to add a new column to the stats at VP.
Both have guaranteed me this will all be corrected long before we get to vegas.
I told David it wouldnt be pleasant being chased by an angry mob of affiliates through the lobby of the Stardust and he agreed. I hope Referback brings their jogging shoes. :la-de-da: :la-de-da:
This is excellent news!
Really nice,
Thanks Spear, Proff and all at CAP :Bong:Professor wrote:I spoke with both Tyrone Zinman and David Sack today and VP and FL have an excellent solution planned that actually is BETTER then the old terms and conditions they had!The only issue now is adding this back into the stats at Fortune and to add a new column to the stats at VP.
Both have guaranteed me this will all be corrected long before we get to vegas.
Fingers crossed they will be as positive as you suggest Prof. I’m interested if the changes are going to come with a gaurantee that this “retroactive” issue won’t raise its head again in the future. After all, now we know the score….
What Prof says sounds exciting – though personally I would be happy with the old terms and conditions.
And, what Simmo said, I said to them in Montreal – give us a guarantee that this would NEVER happen again. But I highly doubt we will get this type of concession… so we shall just wait and see exactly what this new plan is.
I think Referback will see the light – but only after VP and Fortune announce their changes, and we agree that these changes are good.
Simmo! its highly unlikely any business would ever say never to making changes in the future. That being said, I think they are painfully aware that this sort of behavior, that they assumed would go un-noticed, didnt.
David Sack summed it up by saying this is a young industry and as such we are bound to make a few mistakes along the way. I graciously agreed and told him I was sure we wouldnt have to travel down this path again in the future.
It’s VERY important that we commend postive behavior and changes. If we dont then we wont get concessions.
If people come back with the attitude of “Well, even though you’ve given us what we asked for we STILL dont trust you and dont want to work with you!” then why the hell SHOULD they change?
They might just as well weather the storm and move on if they believe they’ve already lost us. It also feeds the argument that affiliates are high maintainence whiners who are never happy. I think it’s best to not take that tack.
Now if you decide you don’t feel comfortable working with a program that has made these changes even if they revert back then thats your choice and I can’t argue the logic of the decision. I can understand that position fully. BUT publically let’s try to reward the good and condemn the bad until we get all this trouble behind us.
If we unite, like all of us at CAP did, and do (even if I´m not the most outspoken one
) They can´t just overse us. The last few weeks have showed me more than ever that affiliates must stand together against anyone who want to destroy the terms once set by themself.I´m not that outspoken in this forum but I read it every day and everyday I´m impressed with the people who post their messages here and I´m really proud to be a member of it, even if that is a low profile one.
Well, I just want to say to every one, what everyone here knows: CAP rocks:
:drink::guitar: :woohoo::guitar:
:capmiami:Professor wrote:It’s VERY important that we commend postive behavior and changes. If we dont then we wont get concessions.If people come back with the attitude of “Well, even though you’ve given us what we asked for we STILL dont trust you and dont want to work with you!” the why the hell SHOULD they change?
I agree.
It is very important to reward good behavior as well as punish bad behavior.
It’s called teaching.
and yes, you bet, CAP rocks!
Dominique wrote:I agree.It is very important to reward good behavior as well as punish bad behavior.
It’s called teaching.
and yes, you bet, CAP rocks!
:clapper: Exactly!
Bugger – I had just written a very long post and my browser crashed … now it simply is too much effort to rewrite it at this time of the night :plain:
So I will paraphrase….
Professor wrote:It’s VERY important that we commend postive behavior and changes. If we dont then we wont get concessions.If people come back with the attitude of “Well, even though you’ve given us what we asked for we STILL dont trust you and dont want to work with you!” then why the hell SHOULD they change?
I agree with you on this except for referback…
Honestly – they can kiss my :shakebutt !
The lies, the insults the bullshit that they are trying to feed us is unreal. I know that the other programs also tried some stunts, but at least they kept contact with us.. if not in the forums.. then personally by email.. referback seem to have stopped that as well (Especially after trying to bribe a few affiliates with special offers that backfired on them – respect to those affiliates that turned them down
) Here is a part of an answer I got to my last email…
I have ALWAYS been frank with you. My job is not to cover something up or pull the wool over your eyes.
Decisions were made … not to screw the affiliate over, but with good intentions. Remember that this also helps the smaller affiliates at having a decent chance to make money without the intimidation of the bigger affiliate.
The truth is that I think the t&c’s were way to complicated and communication from ReferBack has not been great!Taking into consideration all the retention as well as reactivation promotions, if a customer is INACTIVE for 6 MONTHS on the GROUP of casinos chances are he/she is really not interested in being a casino player. Remember that this rule applies to Casino at this point and the opportunity here is that all affiliates are now able to re-acquire these lapsed players which widens the fishing pond considerably.
I understand that many affiliates are making a noise out there which is undoubtedly stirring emotions. I ask you to look beyond the noise and ask me anything more which you need clarity on.
I also never bothered to respond to that – that was about the 8th email to and fro. So, obviously there was no way of getting anywhere ….
I explained my feeling on the 6 months clause in every single email and then i got that.. unreal.
OK – so it turned out sort of long
Anyway – to sum up.
All the other programs knew the first day after they made the changes that they made a mistake -they tried to justify it for a while, but anybody that ever spoke to them knew that they also knew there was a problem… not referback.
Referback has also had a lot of problems in the ast with their partners.. anybody remember the cookie issue? How long did that take?
Sorry – but for me they are history.
Slowly working through our sites removing every last link :hmmm:
Wish it was not so much work though :crazy:
