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June 27, 2007 at 4:44 pm #740923AnonymousInactive
@allfreechips 129237 wrote:
Americans no longer ban together, we have become a complacent politically correct nation of bleeding hearts with no backbone. The people are concerned about gas prices personal gains. The band together mentality has been completely destroyed by the politics of this country over the last 20 years.
Sad to say the least but the US has become what it always fought against in the 40’s
Amen to that. People are complacent with the status quo and one by one our rights are being taken away and no one pays attention.
People trust that the US is a big enough bully internationally so no one has to worry. Within the nation and in the rest of the world the current US government tramples all over everyone’s rights.
This from a once ardent republican.
June 27, 2007 at 4:47 pm #740924AnonymousInactive@allfreechips 129237 wrote:
The people are concerned about gas prices personal gains.
I read all these posts and they are full of self-interests, except john1124 which is accurate and right on target.
June 27, 2007 at 4:59 pm #740926AnonymousInactive@slotplayer 129249 wrote:
I read all these posts and they are full of self-interests, except john1124 which is accurate and right on target.
I try to respect all opinions. This argument would work if the US wasn’t hypocritacal in allowing horse betting etc. They are standing on a moral issue. Gambling destroys families but go ahead and buy lottery tickets. Can’t have it both ways in a big brother approach. Just my opinion.
June 27, 2007 at 5:55 pm #740930AnonymousInactiveThis argument would work if the US wasn’t hypocritacal in allowing horse betting etc.
Exactly, one of the points im trying to make Mojo. Why is Horse Betting and Lottery exempt? Simple, the US Government has “Control” and “Governance” over those two entites. They don’t offshore booking and casinos. Alot of this is more about “Control” then anything else. The whole law was passed on the “American Values Agenda” which is all out setting Americans Morals and Values according to the Christian Right. You got it Control.
That’s why we want less External pressure and more Internal. Americans don’t like to feel pressured or challenged. I’m not sure where some say we don’t ban together I will submit 9/11, Columbia accident, VT Shootings, the beginning of the Iraq conflict for an example. Not everyone, including me liked the Iraq war. But after the bullets started flying I was hoping for a quick war and an easy departure, neither obviously happened. So Americans do and will ban together.
Brings me to another ? for those Affiliate vets who have been doing this for the last decade or so. For those making several k’s per-month in the affiliate business. Didn’t you ever expect this to possibly come to a end or head sometime? It never crossed your mind that eventually the Government (IRS or DOJ) would crack down on Gambling or Affiliates themselves? I would think some would have prepaired long ago for a possible meltdown. In fact, if I was here that long I would have been knowing eventually it would have happened.
June 27, 2007 at 6:24 pm #740934AnonymousInactiveThanks john. Interesting view and why forums are so good for this. There are things I hadn’t considered. I agree internal pressure is what will resolve this in the end. However without the wto claims and pressure externally, this issue will be on the back burner, if at all, on many Americans minds. There are so many critical issues that online gambling is far from being formost.
Therefore, if big business like Disney and Microsoft start getting pissed off because of sanctions, it does create pressure internally. Maybe even speeds up the process and puts a spotlight on it. It may cause some Americans to recognize the imposition on their freedoms and the mentioned complacency.
I haven’t been in this business as long as most here though.
June 27, 2007 at 6:30 pm #740936AnonymousInactiveI think most affiliates who have been making a living off of this for a while never expected this to last forever. I am grateful for each month that the income keeps coming in. Most affiliates who are earning significants amounts probably paid off their house, have significant investments, etc that way even if the income drops next to zero it wont be the end of the world.
June 27, 2007 at 6:55 pm #740941AnonymousInactiveJohn, There wasn’t enought ‘internal pressure’ to stop a ban going through in the first place. Some external influences might actually help to speed up regulated online gaming.
I hope the EU goes for some major bucks here.
Most Americans can probably see the hypocrisy of the current situation, so it’s not an issue to gather round the flag for.
Besides, the US needs the WTO on it’s side to pressurize China from subsiding their companies with the artificial exchange rate.June 27, 2007 at 7:22 pm #740947AnonymousInactive@john1124 129256 wrote:
Exactly, one of the points im trying to make Mojo. Why is Horse Betting and Lottery exempt? Simple, the US Government has “Control” and “Governance” over those two entites. They don’t offshore booking and casinos. Alot of this is more about “Control” then anything else. The whole law was passed on the “American Values Agenda” which is all out setting Americans Morals and Values according to the Christian Right. You got it Control.
That’s why we want less External pressure and more Internal. Americans don’t like to feel pressured or challenged. I’m not sure where some say we don’t ban together I will submit 9/11, Columbia accident, VT Shootings, the beginning of the Iraq conflict for an example. Not everyone, including me liked the Iraq war. But after the bullets started flying I was hoping for a quick war and an easy departure, neither obviously happened. So Americans do and will ban together.
Brings me to another ? for those Affiliate vets who have been doing this for the last decade or so. For those making several k’s per-month in the affiliate business. Didn’t you ever expect this to possibly come to a end or head sometime? It never crossed your mind that eventually the Government (IRS or DOJ) would crack down on Gambling or Affiliates themselves? I would think some would have prepaired long ago for a possible meltdown. In fact, if I was here that long I would have been knowing eventually it would have happened.
I am all for internal pressure, and I am all for external pressure.
I guess you have gathered by now that I am very much for free trade in general. For centuries neighbors have made deals with each other – it keeps things organized and avoids feuds and wars. Instead of killing each other, people went to the city elders or court or whatever the times had to offer as probem resolution places.
When you try to apply that on a larger scale and in the present, you need places like the WTO and the EU. Someone has to function as a problem resolution place and we need to all respect the decisions, regardless of the size or power an individual country may have.
Skipping over the 9/11 and Iraq thing, that would open up a totally different debate and throw the thread into the politics section. Just trying to not stray too much.
As for what I expected when I got started – pretty much nothing. I started it as a hobby because I like games. I made no profit for literally years, everything I earned I plowed back into the site. I didn’t wake up one day and say: “Oh boy, I want to promote casinos to make a decent living.” It just happened because I loved growing the site. I put my heart in it. By now it has paid me back for years of free labor. It’s all good as far as that is concerned. If it stops alltogether, I doubtlessly will put my heart into creating something else. I have been an entrepreneur my entire life, with varying success. What have I learned? All the successes were based on two things: I enjoyed what I was doing, and I put every possible penny back into the project. I also learned that business environment is ever changing, and what is a good business today may not be so tomorrow. If you are an entrepreneur, you have to be able to live with that and flow with the punches. Either you can adjust the business to fit the times (and the really successful brick and mortar businesses have to do this all the time) or you look for greener pastures.
June 28, 2007 at 4:22 pm #741028AnonymousInactiveCasino Gambling Web Reps Headed to Washington D.C. to Lobby on Behalf of Internet Gambling Community
June 28, 2007 at 5:08 pm #741035PatrickMMember@CGW 129370 wrote:
Casino Gambling Web Reps Headed to Washington D.C. to Lobby on Behalf of Internet Gambling Community
On behalf of the industry I thank you. Did you get any feedback or recognition about this?
June 28, 2007 at 5:21 pm #741036AnonymousInactiveThank you. Way to go!
June 29, 2007 at 1:25 pm #741106AnonymousInactiveCasino Gambling Web Reps Headed to Washington D.C. to Lobby on Behalf of Internet Gambling Community
What Law Firm are you working with?
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