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I have been in business for a very long time, and I may have some oldfashioned principles.
One of the very basic ones is that one needs to be able to count on people doing what they say they will do. A handshake needs to be a handshake, a promise a promise and a contract a contract.
I have an appointment on Monday and I am keeping it. Obviosly this thread is being read (maybe not on the weekend) and Nic knows people want him to show up here. So it wll be a topic on Monday.
The only thing I am interested in, is to clean up google and the other engines. For several reasons:
Theft is theft and our websites are the result of hard work. No one should be allowed to steal from us. For a company that wants to “partner” with us to pay others to steal from us is unethical and hurts us.
To google, we have become a ripe pimple on it’s nose. If I was google, I’d pop it and be done with it. The gambling industry is a pain in the axx to the engines. That is very, very bad for us. Last not least, this industry already has problems with its reputation. We certainly don’t need to aggravate this with sleezy promotional methods.
888 is not the only program doing this, they were just the most blatant. A lot of this crap has now disappeared. A lot is still there.
All the programs doing this (and they are big as life on our radar screen) need to pay attention to their statistics, namely the referring URLs. When they see an affiliate having hundreds of them, take a look and see if they are legit or if they are scrapers.
Asking affiliates to turn these in and removing them one at a time is plain silly and a fruitless exercise. There are hundreds of thousands out there. Getting one deleted is totally ridiculous. The programs are in a perfect position to locate all of the ones that are paid by them and eliminate the pay. Once the pay stops, the nuisance will stop too.
The reason I put up the 888 blacklist page is not because I have a beef with 888. To me, 888 is just a set of numbers, not an emotionally charged name. It is because I want to clean up the searches, I strongly believe our industry depends on it. Our survival as well as our reputation are threatened by this criminal conduct. 888 is not alone in this, and after we get some visible, proactive cleanup initiated by 888 we will look to the others to follow suit.
Obviously 888 is hesitant to post here because no one wants to walk into a flame. I am risking being flamed here too. I don’t like it one bit.
But since we are a professional board and not a free for all, I think we can all agree to have a civilized, polite exchange with 888 here in order to facilitate the proper cleanup of this mess.
If I didn’t believe that we can get this cleaned up in a businesslike manner, I would pull the 888 page and go on my merry way. I am donating a good amount of my time and energy to getting this resolved. I have better things to do.
So, hopefully we will see 888 here next week and cooler heads prevail.
And no, I don’t represent CAP. I don’t have any ties with CAP other than that I volunteer as a moderator, I have been posting here pretty much since its inception. Years. Beause of that I am often associated with CAP, but really, I am only a guest here and I am always acting completely on my own accord.
That said, I think one of the bigger mistakes 888 made is to cease communications with CAP. There are other programs who have been in hot water over the years, Fortune and Referback come to mind, and they have faced the music, cleaned up their act and are now respected members of this community.
888 can do this too. But not by hiding out and being unresponsive.
Look Dom. I am not so happy about your last post. I find it uneasing when I agree completely.
& I don’t make any money worth talking about from affiliatism, but I have got rather sick of 888’s “attitude” towards people who take my waffle and make money from it, without even asking or a courtesy linking, let alone bunging me a few quid.
The blackhatters don’t claim to be holier than though right. They don’t bother me.
Dominique wrote:If I didn’t believe that we can get this cleaned up in a businesslike manner, I would pull the 888 page and go on my merry way.This is about the only thing I would disagree with. I dont think we created blacklist pages to clean up 888’s mess, we created them to draw attention to it and only did so after they refused to clean it up. And if they were still refusing to work with us, I doubt anyone would be quick to take their pages down.
If they truly wish to change their ways and erase the last few months they are going to have to do much better than issuing threats. Hopefully they will come back to the table next week and show some sincerity while doing so. As joeyl has said they need to come to the table with a different attitude for sure.
I have been working on this since Friday and still going like the energizer bunny. I will be turning up the temperature. In the meantime based on Google’s policies as I previously outlined, what up with this?
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http://www.texholdem.comThere are thousands more but I am trying to limit these to on page. Feel free to check out the whois. I don’t rely on the whois normally but in this instance its’ workable. greek39^*
greek39^*
axl wrote:I dont think we created blacklist pages to clean up 888’s mess, we created them to draw attention to it.Perhaps many had different motives.
To me it is simply a tool to expedite the final goal – cleanup.
It is very similair to what 888 itself is doing – saturating the engines with a message. Just that we do it legally and completely white hat.
Dominique wrote:It is very similair to what 888 itself is doing – saturating the engines with a message. Just that we do it legally and completely white hat.An excellent analogy, dom :clapper:
WTG greek39, you have been busy. Remind me not to get into your bad books.
Cheers
A blackhat aff code:
All the sites mentioned above plus more will be submitted to Google as a violaton of their spam guidelines. I will be remainning on topic which is spamindexing.
Contrary to popular believe, Google does not want to lose this industry it is important asset to their revenue stream and to neophites. What they do want is malicious scripting blasting through their filters via BH tatics to stop. It is not about us saving our industry, its’ about 888 saving theirs.
Tame the beast you have created 888 if at all possible. My spam results are going to Google. They have been wanting to hear from me for quite sometime. Google has managed to clean up other programs but your stays intake, this will stop.
Afterwards I plan on focusing on ecogra. greek3
greek,
of course all these 888 domains are spamming the index,
wich is not good
but its not hard evidence of blackhat in my opinioni mean, you cannot forbid them to have multiple domains
or am i mistaken and overlooking things?
are those scraped pages wich redirect?
elgoog I have not discussed black hat strageties as of yet, but will be. Today’s topic will be ecogra as their views on adware, malware, and scumware. I will try and have this down in a few hours. greek39
The page you are clicking on is not what you see. You click and you are immediately taken to a 888 property.
Google says:
Don’t employ cloaking or sneaky redirects.
Avoid “doorway” pages created just for search engines, or other “cookie cutter” approaches such as affiliate programs with little or no original content.
greek39 wrote:elgoog I have not discussed black hat strageties as of yet, but will be. Today’s topic will be ecogra as their views on adware, malware, and scumware. I will try and have this down in a few hours. greek39If you would like to discuss eCOGRA, please do so in a new thread.
This thread is for 888 and to facilitate communication with them and about trying to clean up search results.
On the contrary, the letter sent by Nicholas did mention ecogra. Therfore it should be dicussed here as it pertains to the letter sent. greek39
