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I have been forwarded evidence of some attempts by 888 to reach me, and I am now looking into this.
Professor wrote:Just received from 888While we have repeatedly attempted to contact several members who have lodged complaints, our attempts were ignored.
Malarky, They have been an absentee landlord throughout this whole process. And because they know Cap was the stage for this whole scrapping issue brought upon them, they chose not to utilize the forum for a resolution as well as a communication point.
Edited after Doms post.
Nevertheless they should have been immersed in this whole issue right here at Cap. If there sentiments are geniune a lot of what happened could have been avoided.
FYI
Here was my response to Nicolas at 888Dear Nicolas,
Thank you for writing. It’s a shame we couldn’t have become acquainted under more pleasant circumstances. The members of our community are rightfully outraged by the illegal theft of their content by a select few rogue affiliates of 888. We brought this to the attention of your affiliate management staff repeatedly and relentlessly for months in hopes of clearing this matter up in an agreeable manner. I was finally told that senior management of the group had decided that no action would be taken against the largest affiliate responsible for the content theft as he personally generated over 1000 depositing players each month for the casino and was simply too valuable an asset to offend.Unfortunately, that position leaves thousands of honest affiliates out in the cold and causes irreparable damages to their businesses. Had 888 taken the high road on this matter and done the right thing and suspended this affiliate until he agreed to stop the content theft then you would have been applauded by our members. Instead you chose the unpleasant path that we are all on now.
If that weren’t enough I understand you are even sponsoring a Poker Tournament for “Black hat” SEO affiliates so your position seems to be clear, you have chosen to work with dishonest webmasters and content thieves and spammers rather then reputable affiliates. I don’t know how a publicly traded company and founding member of eCogra could make such a reprehensible decision but that appears to be what you’ve done.
We support the right to free speech and while CAP as a company will no longer take any public positions on 888 please don’t act indignant that the affiliates who are being victimized would be upset or voice their anger on forums such as CAP. You are welcome to register as a guest at CAP and respond to any posts that you take issue to.
Louis
I have not been contacted? I quess this is the time we set aside our differences and concentrate on this problem. There is so much info its tuff to know where to begin. But I do see some light at the end of this tunnel. If 888 can come clean there are no disputes. Is 888 be here to answer to these allegations we will make?
I would start by collecting scraper material ect… greek39
I would be very greatful to here more of your side of the story. Perhaps something good can come out of this! greek39
In light of the communications that did not get through to me, especially those concerning the googlebombing, I am going to be talking with 888 about matters and see what can be settled.
I will keep you guys posted.
What I need to know now is:
Who is still suffering from the results of the google bowling?
Please send the URLs of google pages that show the offending sites. You can do so by typing mysite.com into google and going to a later page. If you are being bowled yu will fnd many, many pages with nothing but scraper sites. Just send me the URL to one of these.
It will be a start.
Ziv Dascalu is one of the guest list of “webmasters in the sun”. Isn´t he Mister Evil?
Spearmaster wrote:And exactly WHAT “authorized” party do any of us need to tell us that our content is being stolen by other sites?Get real…
True, there are no “authorized” parties, authorized by whom? I “authorized” Greek to look into it. I also “authorized” myself to go after those who would steal from me. Everyone “authorized” themselves to look after their own business interests.
I know of no “authority” that oversees affiliates or tries to benefit them. Affiliates are on their own.
Also, I am hardly an “anonymous” moderator. Most everyone in the industry knows me, or of me. I speak publicly at most affiliate events and am one of your better known entities.
I always have and always will call them as I see them. This may not always be popular with members of the industry or even my peers. But by far the majority of the industry appreciates my efforts.
That said, despite the fact that I don’t respond well to threats, I am looking forward to a resolution to this.
I want to see a clean, healthy industry and this debacle is not helping there.
Hopefully, on that level we will be able to agree to agree.
I have mailed you back and am looking forward to your reply.
Well said Dom!! remember this to my fellow capsters. I do thing in the best interest of honest webmasters. Something I did recently had struck a nerve, I did this to benefit all parties. If you read into things you will find I am not attacking anyone except 888.
greek39
I plan on persuing this discussion. In a slow and meaningful way, leading to some sort of concrete solution. It should be interesting to say the least. Starting in a couple of hours. First topic will be on how exactly does Google feel about spam. Why have they takin action against some programs and not others. greek39
There are so many definitions of spam. I realize most of us know what spam is, some don’t.
I will start with the most revelant called spamdexing basically search engine spam. This occurs when sites misleads neophite/surfers/ via title and description tags.
Some affiliate use this technique in the hopes of ranking higher on the index than their competitors.
Let’s use this as an example:
online gambling resource advice & reviews
The best site to learn more about casino gratuit.html. … Copyright © 2005 Onlinegambling7.com Good Day! Welcome to …http://www.money-poker-club.info/onl…-resource.html – 7k – Cached – More from this site – Save – BlockBoth the Title and description are false and misleading. The site redirects to 888.com. The desicription tag and title have nothing to do “online gambling resource review”. There are other problems with it as well but I will stay on topic and concentrate on spam.
So how does Google feel about this sort of practice? This one example one topic by itself says Google this “techniques may lead them to remove your site from the Google index” This is how Google defines spam:
1.Hidden text or hidden links.
2.Cloaking or sneaky redirects.
3.Automated queries to Google.
4.Pages loaded with irrelevant keywords.
5.Multiple pages, subdomains, or domains with substantially duplicate content.
“Doorway” pages created just for search engines, or other “cookie cutter” approaches such as affiliate programs with little or no original content.In addition Google does not appreciate the following:
1.owns shadow domains
2.puts links to their other clients on doorway pages
3.offers to sell keywords in the address bar
doesn’t distinguish between actual search results and ads that appear in search results
4.guarantees ranking, but only on obscure, long keyword phrases you would get anyway
5.operates with multiple aliases or falsified WHOIS info
this is important
gets traffic from “fake” search engines, spyware, or scumware
has had domains removed from Google’s index or is not itself listed in GoogleTo submitt spam to Google http://www.google.com/contact/spamreport.html
888.com has obviously takin no action against this affiliate. This would suggest to me 888.com accepts this sort of behavior by their affilates.
I have a collection of such spam results. Does 888.com fall into any of these categories? I have not approach Google on any of these matters but do have the evidence to do so.
I am open to a response. greek39^*
Professor wrote:Recently, we have been accused in the Casino Affiliate Programs (“CAP”) Forum of participating in and condoning “blog spamming” and “site scraping”. No official process of any kind was conducted by ANY authorized party to verify these allegations.What a crock of :bullshit: ! Several sites and numerous people outlined evidence that showed that 888 was directly behind the blog spamming. And since when do any of us need to be authorized to investigate your wrong doings?
:beatup: :banger: :drunk2:
Cassava does not approve of the following:
1. site-scraping
2. Spam emails
3. blog spamming
4. or other illegal or unethical marketinggreek39
A direct post to 888.
Fundamentally the majority of sites (this includes 888) derive commercial interests from this industry. Granted it’s the nature of the beast to be competitive. However, in regard to the 888 issues, it seems pretty obvious to me that the level of conduct which I’d reserve and expect, especially that a tuned to a large corporate company , is at best lacking at 888. At worst it’s a case of we can do what we want attitude.
My idealistic views are what challenges, drives and in essence motivates me to not only evaluate my own course, but, also that which I’m committed to with my passion for this our industry. In saying that I honestly believe it is our (webmasters) industry too.
Speaking as a webmaster, our resources are constructed from our own words, our own ideas. The majority of us invest countless hours, in tuning, arranging, changing our sites to be the best they can be.
Is it any wonder that when webmasters discover a rogue webmaster has collected (scraped) these works and are using their copyrighted material to promote a company ( in the case 888) that should uphold a level of integrity far above allowing this practice to continue, is it any wonder the webmasters are becoming enraged.
Breaking it down to simple terms, It’s a kin to fencing (accepting stolen goods) acquiring financial gain from property that does not belong to you or the person your purchasing the goods from. Which in terms of rogue webmasters they are generating players by using another webmasters property.
Allowing rogue webmasters to continue this practice regardless of 888’s financial gains, is not ethical, just, or right!
Wager2winUK – Very good post!
Greek – Thanks for the work you are doing. I am also doing some work to help eradicate this problem, but approaching it from a different perspective. Potential results are promising…
Bottom Line – 888, pharmacy programs or any other high revenue markets that work with “scum bag” scraping/spamming affiliates” need to seriously consider the consequences of doing so.
