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Professor.
I did read that post – and it was the points you made about how active 888.con on the internet that convinced me that their “efforts” to clean this up are not genuine.
888.con are huge – they have the resources – they have the knowledge … they currently lack the desire to change things. Because these blackhat sites that 888.con are paying for only rank highly thanks to scraping and plagerising the hard work of top ranking affiliates.
Simply cut the CPA funding and the problem dies. 888.con do not have to find all of the sites – they just have to reverse track the affiliate accounts. These blackhat people are not doing it for fun – but for moolah.
No payment = no profit = no 888.con scrapers. It is that simple.
CAP’s influence so far has been zero.In fact less than zero – because by being able to tout your certification about 888.con have trapped other affiliates into the business with a veneer of respectability.
That’s the component that I think you can change professor. CAP is a big legitimate affiliate connection – and by maintaining that 888.con are certified you lower that standard.
Now – am I saying “cut off communications”? No!
If 888.con want to regain certification then maintaining a forum presence and sorting out this issue should be pre-requisites to being re-certified.
I’m not “jumping on a soapbox” – I’m using an affiliate forum to communicate to other affiliates – after seeing a lot of rather suspect opinions attacking Greek39 for his posts.You use a twist of rhetoric to belittle the discussion while taking issue with my description of Shelly as a “flunkie” .. and yet …
While Shelley may work in the 888.con affiliate area – given the listless responses so far and her complete lack of knowledge on internet practices and disragard the scale and operations of the scraping …
… it has appeared that it’s her job to come on once a week and apologise and stall. Either that or Shelley has not had the common sense to bone up on this matter or escalate this to someone who can deal to the situation.
That complete lack of real action earns the title of “flunkie” … we’ve all dealt with them in our corporate lives. And come on – Flunkie – it’s a pretty bland term that certainly wasn’t the harshest I could have chosen.
:hehe:
Look, we’re all in this business to make some money. Legitimately, honestly.And I’d have no problem with this company being number 1 due to having a top site, great customer service and a fine ethical affiliate operation.
But that doesn’t describe 888.con‘s internet presence at all – does it?
:devil:
Ah look – I’ve had enough – I don’t wish to alienate you Professor – or the people who put a lot of good work into CAP. It’s a fine site. But this tacit support of 888.con … well … it’s just wrong.But – I’ll simply ignore the 888.con threads in future – it does my head in to see so many ostriches with their heads in the sand … and I can tell I’m annoying you lot posting about it.
Sorry guys and gals.
:unhappy:As was discussed with the Professor, we have contacted the following affiliates according your referrals:
1) Tradal has been contacted to have http://gambling.dolev-yomel.com/ stop scrapping.
2) http://www.money-poker-club.info/onl…-resource.html . Referred by Greek on April 17. Has been contacted and funds are suspended until we hear back from him and get proof that the scrapping has been cleaned up. If we do not hear back from him, the account will be closed down.
3) http://www.online-casino-dot.com/casino-games.html – Referred April 20th, by Dominique. Same actions as for #2.
4) http://www.poptshirts.com/Casino-Reviews.aspx – this guy seems to be using SE results to use on his page. I can’t seem to fund any details about him on whois. If anyone else has, I’ll be glad to contact him.Let me know if I missed anything so I can take care of that as well.
Greek, if you are reading this – I cannot answer your PM since your account is set as “away”. You can email me at [email protected].Thanks
shelly888 has always been to me, the dark side of the online casino industry. Since I started out in this industry I found them most annoying. From spam in my inbox to black hat SEO techniques. They have always been the most prominent. They must have a LARGE affiliate support base as the numbers of these sites using these absolute devilish techniques have grown to phenomenal amounts. They have over a million pages out there that are advertising them, of which a very large percentage(Considering) are only advertising them.
I have always had my suspicions about them and the moment I saw this post I thought “JACKPOT!” I jumped in started to investigate this myself but every time I found a crap load of affiliate sites. I made a study fanning out the IP addresses and domains that they own, investigating every single one individually. This took a couple of days and no concrete proof. The harsh reality is however, there is a simple and easy way for them to actually hide if they are practicing these dark techniques. Add an affiliate tag. That means we are check mate to a certain extend! So I have never really seen a way for anyone to proof that they are indeed responsible for scraping, bowling or all that crap. The worst is that they know this. They will always blame it on some idiot affiliate, of which there are quite allot out there. When cruising the black hat forums, it always amazes me that these people can actually have friends. I view them as gun slingers in the wild west. They think they are hero’s but at the end of the day they are just murderers.
The only way for this to be stopped is if Casava acts immediately on proof provided. An affiliate that commits these crimes are nothing but criminal AND they knew exactly what the hell they are doing. They do not need to be asked to please avoid these strategies and then months down the line they are suddenly banned because they didn’t listen. That is BS. They do not need chances. They should get banned immediately and with NO payment! END OF STORY! If they set a good example less “affiliates” will take them for a ride.
If this was any other affiliate program they would have been kicked a long time ago. The only reason I still feel they need a chance to fix this is that I hardly ever recieve or see any complaints by players related to 888. Considdering their size this is remarkable.
Oh and by the way Greek left us… We didnt throw him out. People posted questions about scraping and he blew a gasket.
Greek was asked to provide proof and details of all the evidence he had found, not just lists of scraper sites, which to be honest any of us can find.
When called on it, he couldn’t deliver.
If YOU have proof that 888 is involved directly then please post it. Hunches, gut feelings or things you heard third hand or via the grapevine is NOT proof. Its inuendo and it doesnt help us solve the problem.
Completely agree. This is all I want too.
Hi Shelly
About poptshirts (Have to break up the tag)
Does this URL contain any indication that it is an affiliate of yours?
xxhttp://affiliates.888.com/Login/mainPage.aspx?
trcode=TR00000228&lang=en&S=639047463432637146&
OS=639047463432637146&SR=406221&OSR=406221&
flag=0002&un=false&l=&ic=0&st=198&bc=124&anid=0My money is on trcode=TR00000228
If not chat to your marketing department. It might be one of their ad campaigns.
ElseRegistrant:
One Find
24388 El Toro Road, Ste. E-142
Laguna Woods, California 92637
United StatesAdministrative Contact: [email protected]
Find, One Whois Privacy and Spam Prevention by Whois Source
24388 El Toro Road, Ste. E-142
Laguna Woods, California 92637
United States
9493624892 Fax —Technical Contact:
Find, One Whois Privacy and Spam Prevention by Whois Source
24388 El Toro Road, Ste. E-142
Laguna Woods, California 92637
United States
9493624892 Fax —Also like to add that there are over 200 other sites hosted on the same server or IP as poptshirts
Here are a few
xxwww.1tim412.net
xxwww.1tim412.net
xxwww.3rd-eye-technologies.com
xxwww.3rdeyetechnologies.biz
xxwww.3rdeyetechnologies.com
xxwww.abisnailo.com
xxwww.aciduniverse.com
xxwww.acmesolutions.net
xxwww.actiondownload.com
xxwww.affiliatedownlines.com
xxwww.affordable2ndthoughts.com
xxwww.affordablesecondthoughts.com
xxwww.alfortorranceschoolboard.com
xxxwww.allprosol.com
xxwww.allprosol.net
xxwww.amenabrown.com
xxxwww.americanrouletteor.com
xxwww.amerizip.com
xxwww.anderwear.net
xxwww.antixclan2.com
xxwww.asenseofsmile.com
xxwww.atrainseminars.com
xxwww.aviateq.com
xxwww.ballinzone.com
xxwww.barristeronline.com
xxwww.bikurcholim.net
xxwww.blake-williams.com
xxwww.blanc-bleu.org
xxwww.boembox.com
xxwww.botscan.com
xxwww.c8group.com
xxwww.c8group.net
xxwww.canagora.com
xxwww.cantbelieveitskosher.com
xxwww.castlewood-us.com
xxwww.centerstonesolutions.com
xxwww.centuryhelimedia.com
xxwww.charliecallas.comPerhaps that can also help you trace them.
Here is the info I could find about the ownership of the server.
IP address: 66.245.190.96
Reverse DNS: web52.pearlriver.easycgi.com.
ASN: 26375
ASN Name: EASYCGI
Registrar (per ASN): ARIN
Country (per IP registrar): US [United States]
City (per outside source): Los Angeles, California
Private (internal) IP? No
IP address registrar: whois.arin.net
Known Proxy? NoChatmaster wrote:They do not need to be asked to please avoid these strategies and then months down the line they are suddenly banned because they didn’t listen. That is BS. They do not need chances. They should get banned immediately and with NO payment! END OF STORY! If they set a good example less “affiliates” will take them for a ride.YES! YES! God dammit, YES!
THIS is what I think has been pissing me off so much about 888’s lackluster repsonses. It seems they just want to slap the affiliate on the hands and say ‘please stop.’ Plus, I think they are really just saying ‘please stop’ and not meaning it.
These people are plagiarizing. They are stealing. This IS theft. They SHOULD BE REMOVED AS AFFILIATES. If they are not, then you are not doing a damn thing. Because if they have 1 site, they probably have 100 or even 1000 or maybe 10000 sites just like it. What have you done? Absoultely nothing – say it again!
ugh.
I appreciate Shelly’s responses, but SERIOUSLY… shut them down. Do not ask politely to ‘cease and desist.’ C’mon. How stupid are we to believe that this would help?
888.com wrote:2) http://www.money-poker-club.info/onl…-resource.html . Referred by Greek on April 17. Has been contacted and funds are suspended until we hear back from him and get proof that the scrapping has been cleaned up. If we do not hear back from him, the account will be closed down.Sounds like a good plan to me :banger:
888.com wrote:As was discussed with the Professor, we have contacted the following affiliates according your referrals:
1) Tradal has been contacted to have http://gambling.dolev-yomel.com/ stop scrapping.
2) http://www.money-poker-club.info/onl…-resource.html . Referred by Greek on April 17. Has been contacted and funds are suspended until we hear back from him and get proof that the scrapping has been cleaned up. If we do not hear back from him, the account will be closed down.
3) http://www.online-casino-dot.com/casino-games.html – Referred April 20th, by Dominique. Same actions as for #2.
4) http://www.poptshirts.com/Casino-Reviews.aspx – this guy seems to be using SE results to use on his page. I can’t seem to fund any details about him on whois. If anyone else has, I’ll be glad to contact him.Let me know if I missed anything so I can take care of that as well.
Greek, if you are reading this – I cannot answer your PM since your account is set as “away”. You can email me at [email protected].Thanks
shellyI think this is a good start.
I also think the accounts should be shut down, period.
Why?
Because these same people operate literally tens of thousands of sites. Making them close down one site is nothing. It doesn’t help.
You scrape, you are out. That needs to be the policy.
Think of the harm 888 is doing the industry. On one hand 888 helps fund eCOGRA, a nice attept to legitimize the player side of operations.
On the other hand it pays scrapers to put 888 ads under all sorts of keywords that have nothing to do with gambling, throwing your casino front up in the face of people looking for all kinds of innocuous things.
Scrapers aim to get one click a site. They don’t care how many thousand people close their browser in disgust.
Do you really want to support that?
Having the affiliate remove one of the tens of thousands of sites that s/he operates is like pissing in the wind! The drops will fall back in your face.
That said, I am totally opposed to removing 888 from CAP at this time. This platform of communication is too valuable – still. I hope we wll see some meaningful action soon, or I may join the voice of the folks who, justifiably so at this time, call for 888’s removal.
I also think the accounts should be shut down, period.
I agree with this completely. This suggestion should be seriously considered by 888 and all affiliate programs. Scrapers and content thieves should not be given a second chance. I hope Cassava do the right thing and shut down permanently the accounts of the scrapers listed in this thread.
I am also interested in hearing Shelly’s response to the above few post and the actions that Cassava/888 have taken.
If I am not satisfied that 888 are not moving in the right direction and working with us. Then I also will be adding 888 and their properties such as Pacific Poker to my rogue page. Which on it’s own ranks #3 in google for rogue casinos.
An affiliate that commits these crimes are nothing but criminal AND they knew exactly what the hell they are doing.[/quote]Very true.
Quote:They do not need chances. They should get banned immediately and with NO payment! END OF STORY!I agree completely.
Taking this one step further, I believe that the person behind the scraping should be banned from the affiliate program — permanently. There should be an internal blacklist of sorts, containing a list of names, home addresses, and payment details (Neteller email address, for example) of each rogue affiliate.
888 should not allow thieves and spammers to promote their properties. Sure, 888 might make some quick cash in the short term, but this is not going to work in the long run. Here’s why:
- Ethical affiliates, finally fed up with being robbed blind by scrapers promoting 888’s brands, will blacklist and trash 888 like nothing anyone has ever seen before. When the casino players and the general public get wind of this, 888’s profits will go through the floor. Many people will stop playing at 888 once everything is exposed and explained in detail.
Dominique has already set this in motion, and I will be following her lead by the end of the week unless 888 comes back with a serious plan of attack.
- Scraper sites will not be effective over the long term. The search engines are getting smarter at detecting this sort of thing, and it won’t be long before the technique is useless. Once that happens, will 888 see a fall in profits? Possibly, but nobody really knows except 888. If all of the ethical affiliates have abandoned ship by then, what next?
Point being, if 888 is relying on scrapers for even 10% of their revenue, they are going to be seriously hurting when hundreds of thousands of scraper sites are removed from the search engine indexes. If I owned stock in 888, I would be concerned.
- If thieves and rogue individuals are allowed to have a place in the online casino industry, it will never be looked upon favorably. Therefore, it is in 888’s best interest to eliminate the individuals wreaking havoc — not just the offending sites, but the unethical people causing the problems.
Quote:I believe that the person behind the scraping should be banned from the affiliate program — permanently. There should be an internal blacklist of sorts, containing a list of names, home addresses, and payment details (Neteller email address, for example) of each rogue affiliate.I think this is an excellent idea and probably the only way we can put a dent in this problem. If its a revolving door where rogue affiliates need only sign back up and claim new trackers and continue scraping then suspending their accounts wont be effective and wont be a real deterent.
Shelly can you please present this as a proposal to management?
I believe that the person behind the scraping should be banned from the affiliate program — permanently. There should be an internal blacklist of sorts, containing a list of names, home addresses, and payment details (Neteller email address, for example) of each rogue affiliate.
This sounds like a good plan to me too.
If this were to happen, we could make a dent.
I can provide a partial list of names, addresses, homes, size of homes, cars and plate number if requested? greek39
For http://www.poptshirts.com the whois and other sources is
Registrant:
One Find
24388 El Toro Road, Ste. E-142
Laguna Woods, California 92637
United StatesRegistered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: POPTSHIRTS.COM
Created on: 11-Aug-05
Expires on: 11-Aug-06
Last Updated on: 11-Aug-05Administrative Contact:
Find, One
24388 El Toro Road, Ste. E-142
Laguna Woods, California 92637
United States
9493624892 Fax —Technical Contact:
Find, One
24388 El Toro Road, Ste. E-142
Laguna Woods, California 92637
United States
9493624892 Fax —Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.EASY-CGI.COM
NS2.EASY-CGI.COMI draw this conclusion from the backlinks of the domain http://www.poptshirts.com on google where I also find.
poptshirts.com – vegaspoptshirts.com – vegas. … Casino On Net Gambling: Up to 200$ Bonus Since 1996, over 7000000 people have experienced Casino On Net’s Exciting Gaming Action …
http://www.poptshirts.com/Vegas.aspx – 32k – Supplemental Result – Cached – Similar pagesgreek39
- Ethical affiliates, finally fed up with being robbed blind by scrapers promoting 888’s brands, will blacklist and trash 888 like nothing anyone has ever seen before. When the casino players and the general public get wind of this, 888’s profits will go through the floor. Many people will stop playing at 888 once everything is exposed and explained in detail.
