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The stats at Aff utd / Affiliates United / Cpays are hard to believe. At least ours are. Cpays had the worst reputation in the industry. AffUtd is Cpays. William Hill farmed out their online business to these crooks without doing proper due diligence. They only had to google them to see what disreputable people they were getting into bed with. This is a small dent for Hills that is more embarrassing than anything else. Affiliates who I believe have been cheated by AffUtd know William Hill is an honest and upright public company. Hills just have to show some balls now.They got into this deal because they did not have the balls to run their own business. They were afraid of the online environment. Smokey dingy betting shops on every high street – that is their game. The ‘inter-web or whatever it is called’ was not. Hills made a massive mistake and the people who got this Plc involved with these crooks should pay. But that is for later. Right now Hills must move lock stock and barrel away from Playtech and the Cpays conmen. Bring the business back under their wing. Frankly any affiliate still promoting these Cpays muppets now must be mad. It was obvious enough before this blew up. Wake up. There is no such thing as a “sweet deal” with Affutd. What they give with one hand they take, under the counter, with the other. If William Hills has a single brain cell left they will be out of the Tel Aviv nightmare asap. But until that time, why send punters to them when there are so many good uk-facing companies out there that are not corrupt? We will promote William Hill, but only once they have a proper affiliate program not run by cheating crooks . . . . . anyone for table tennis?
@justbookies 232573 wrote:
The stats at Aff utd / Affiliates United / Cpays are hard to believe. At least ours are.
Mind explaining more in detail as I have never had this issues with them ?
@fkanehl 232582 wrote:
Mind explaining more in detail as I have never had this issues with them ?
I just did a long reply and this site timed out and when I came to post I was logged out and lost the lot. So in short: there are a mountain of disgruntled affiliates who feel conned but cant prove it: sign-ups missing etc. Read the other forums. I was suspicious of my stats for a long while then I got a day on August 12:
$11324.70 casino bets
$11324.70 casino wins
$0 net revenue.
I cant work out how $11324.70 can be bet and the final return on the day’s turnover come back to $11324.70 to the cent. This is not deposits and withdrawals. It is turnover.
You can be sure that the sackings in Tel Aviv were for even more dishonesty than has been reported in the national press. They denied William Hill access to its own data, affiliate data. Why? Because they were proud of its integrity?
I cant fathom why with all this anyone would send a client to them instead of one of about 10 other huge honest UK-facing companies. Hope I answered your question a bit. Sorry my first attempt was a lot better but gotta beat the clock on this forum!@alexpratt 232520 wrote:
Agreed, it’s to very separate businesses with different management, staff etc……they have a long way to come back but at least they have the brand and money behind them so although it doesn’t look great I am sure they can afford to buy their way back……also are players even aware, has this affected them? Certainly affiliates know and there is some definite damage there that needs rectifying
Alex you make a very good point. They can buy their way back. I believe this is what they will do when things are sorted. They already know the damaged caused. They know many affiliates will be extremely pissed off and wanna relocate the traffic. Not to mention trust factors.
I know for me a few years ago – we had an issue with C Pays and after months of talking and dealing things out we decided to part ways but things were all clear.
About 8 9 months ago they came back and we talked for about a week and they wanted back on our network so we were sure this time to be very careful..
This time around I really think its in the best interest for us to remove them. I do not feel safe any longer – I am unsure how much revenue or players were lost – but I understand this whole thing was really out of their control. At least that’s my take.
I know for one thing – when things get settled – they will want to bury this whole thing and will pay HUGE bucks to make it happen. Right now they stand to lose so much – more then just affiliates – think about the SERPS!!!!
When the time comes – hundreds of thousands or even millions will be thrown at us all to work with them – they will pay to get things back for sure.
I know for me this time the rate will double! LOL
William Hill can and will buy back their reputation but it does not mean that this mess hasn’t cost them a lot of money
Im nervous my self…since last week it has been imposible to access excact stats. And no moves in my balances…normally I have moves in my stats daily!
I am just glad I never promoted them much but was just about to have the casino reviewed and published… now it can wait.
i figure removing them will cost thousands in time and money – but at the end of the day with no comments from them and everything in the air you cant trust them. The no communication is always a sign of serious trouble. When programs refuse to speak – to me that is a bad sign.
In the end we all have to do whats best I guess – its going to be a long week removing them.
@casinogeld.de 232655 wrote:
Im nervous my self…since last week it has been imposible to access excact stats. And no moves in my balances…normally I have moves in my stats daily!
Any updates on this? If so, please keep us posted. Definitely want to make sure that affiliates are taken care of with commissions, etc.
@casinogeld.de 232655 wrote:
Im nervous my self…since last week it has been imposible to access excact stats. And no moves in my balances…normally I have moves in my stats daily!
Commission on the home page was updated after few days.
I´ve been working with them since they were CPays. I have always had good relationship with them. They have good affmanagers too. Payments always came on time.
Good to know there are updates on the homepage- definitely want to make sure that affiliate partners are taken care of…
No stats. No aff manager replies.
Looks like stats are now working
