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Seriously, thou…
Anyone who wants to discuss this in greater detail please email me:
And once again, the name “Affiliate Union” does not mean this is gonna be a true “union”… just like Gooner said, it’s more of place to do exactly what he mentioned. And Lou has already made mention of something where several industry bodies can work together.
There are definitely some valid points here, and hopefully this discussion alone can solve some of the outstanding issues some of the affiliates are experiencing.
Haven’t such methods been used in the past by listing rogue casinos? What effects has that had? Did it improve the situation? Can a union be prone to abuse, like when people take the law in their own hands and then find out that they punished an innocent person?
:stirpot:pearlgaming wrote:…hopefully this discussion alone can solve some of the outstanding issues some of the affiliates are experiencing.BINGO! Gold star for you! :bigsmile:
That was actually my intention when I wrote the very first post! I was hoping that by simply demonstrating the high level of affiliate frustration the delinquent parties would become properly motivated to pay.
pearlgaming wrote:…Haven’t such methods been used in the past by listing rogue casinos? What effects has that had?Some have had a good effect, like the 888 case. Some have not been so well receeived, like the boycots of spyware programs.
APCW has never ever condoned boycots or strong arm tactics in the past, but it seems to us that all the possible “politically correct” moves have been exhausted without any success. It also seems that history has taught us that there are a few programs will only respond to affiliates when forced to.
pearlgaming wrote:Can a union be prone to abuse, like when people take the law in their own hands and then find out that they punished an innocent person?Absolutely it could be abused. And once again I will state as clearly as possible that the name Affiliate Union is just a name, and no actual union was planned on being formed.
If you want to see how the APCW would have run such a site, just go back and look at our Auditing reports for some of the major sites we reported on. How fair were they? How thorough? Were they biased? Did they imply dishonesty? Or were they factual reports for people to read and draw conclusions from?
Where do I pickup my gold star? What do I have to do to get more? Can I buy groceries with the gold stars?
APCW has never ever condoned boycots or strong arm tactics in the past, but it seems to us that all the possible “politically correct” moves have been exhausted without any success. It also seems that history has taught us that there are a few programs will only respond to affiliates when forced to.
I still believe we should not fall to their levels, and besides how long are they going to continue like this and actually survive? (in cases where they are doing it intentionally) Then ones that do are committing business suicide and don’t need our help to do that.
pearlgaming wrote:I still believe we should not fall to their levels…Then ones that do are committing business suicide.Agreed, but it’s easier said than done when we have affiliates asking us for help and watch players being led to these “dangerous” sites by other webmasters.
Let’s not forget the humiliation factor of losing property to reposession and having utilities turned off. Top that off with a serious dose of pain having to send your children to school with nothing in their lunch boxes.
This is difficult because it’s personal. When someone screws me out of a few bucks that’s one thing. Hurt my child and — well, write your own ending for that one.
pearlgaming wrote:Where do I pickup my gold star? Can I buy groceries with the gold stars?See me in Amsterdam for your gold star :rasta:
It may buy you a beer… if I got the cash… :rolleyes:
I am most definitely not critizing you, and really admire what you are doing for the industry (guess this qualifies for brownie points now ….did you say amsterdam then make that space cake points)
there are many ways to deal with this issue, and i understand people are suffering because of this, all i am saying is that it needs to be dealt with properly, hence this discussion
I don’t feel you’re critizing me at all
This post was designed to grab peoples attention and bring the issue to the fore… which it has. With that I’m happy.
BTW, do they sell space cake in Amsterdam? LOL! sigh.gif
Just open your window when you get in your room at the Krasnapolsky – many have ledges just below and often the previous occupant left their spacecake there.
Dom please tidy up all the ledges and send me those unloved and unwanted Space Cakes. I have a nice home for them here in Florida.
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just a suggestion, this is a good initiative and respect for that. instead of everyone trying to work separately, maybe we should work with affiliateguarddog.com as that forum already deals with negative sides of gaming aff. business? or vice versa…doesn’t matter to me, but a lot more damage can be done working togetha! :hattip:
Who is trying to do damage?
All we’re trying to do is get people paid and inform affiliates which programs are 30, 60, 90 days delinquent.
I can understand your sentiment splinterfree. Of course none of us are looking to ‘do damage’ and I think that was just poor wording
I’ve certainly been accused of using ‘poor wording’ myself many times.However – I believe that J. Todd’s APCW and his background in this area would certainly make him a larger, more focused presence. Currently AffiliateGuardDog.com is doing all we can to keep up with programs Terms and Conditions. I don’t believe, at this time, that we can take on additional program requirements.
I would certainly be happy to partner with J. Todd in whatever manner he deems necessary, though.
Thanks for the vote of confidence, K-Dubya :hehe:
I agree that Splinterfree desn’t reall want to “damage” anyone… no one does. These are very trying times for everyone, and I don’t believe any affiliate of affiliate group would go after a program that is making an honest effort and/or keeping the lines of honest communications open.
That said, a simple factual report on which programs are 30, 60, and 90 days late on payments would be a very valuable tool for affiliates to use as they see fit.
something where several industry bodies can work together
This I would love to see, I hate that we are so splintered. There needs to be somewhere we all can come together.
Just as long as my fears of reduced individual freedoms don’t come true.
