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Please do not consider this a sour grape or disgruntled former employee flame but…. Over the next few days, if you have not already been, you may be approached to join Pimp Your Poker/Big Daddys Casino and Pokerroom as a player and or as an affiliate. Please approach with eyes wide open and with extreme caution.
I say this as the ownership of the mentioned brands was under contract with my affiliate network and I was the affiliate manager for BigDaddys Casino and poker. The contract was effective August 1, 2008 and of this posting I have not received any payment from them. It has been one excuse after another. I know deep inside I will never see a lick of payment due.*
If the ownership is unable to pay a contracted affiliate manager how can we expect the players and affiliates to be paid?
The Poker Site that is being used for the games is also on the IGS (aka FutureBet) network and I can say that cashouts to US players, even with ewalletXpress is halted at the time of this posting, this comes directly from the network administration and not a rumour. BigDaddys make the claim that it is Merge Poker network site but in fact it is sub-leased to the licensees from iGamingSoftware in Vancouver, not Merge in Australia and the processors are not Merge Gaming but use “ClickCashier”. I apologize to all the affiliates that agreed to promote the brand while I was involved with them.
The choice is all yours, and you could earn a ton of commission, but then again…………..
Again, just a word of caution before you work yourself to the end for nothing.
(*I will re-post if payment is received and will retract that portion of the post.)
There are always at least two sides to every story…
As one of those who have poured blood and sweat into Pimp Your Poker I feel a need to get involved in this.
I have been acting as a consultant on Pimp Your Poker for a while now and before committing my time to the project I made a number of inquiries into the financial security for both affiliates and players.
I can assure you this is not a rinky dink fly by night set up. there is a major amount of money being poured into the software and advertising budget. We’ve already delayed launch by a month to make sure all the bugs are gone. All deposits will be secure.
I have not asked for nor received any compensation for my service to date. I am convinced that BD Poker is secure and I’m so convinced that Pimp Your Poker is going to be a major hit with both players and affiliates that I was happy to help work out the wrinkles and glitches. I know I’ll make a good commission from the program and I know the players will love the value they get for their money.
I’ll do my best to address each issue in order…
BigDaddys Poker is not Pimp Your Poker! Chips had a contract for service with BigDaddys. The issue he has is with BigDaddys, and has absolutely nothing to do with Pimp Your Poker.
Sour grapes… hard not to think so when this post appears in a very busy public forum just two days before pimp Your Poker is scheduled to go live and after Chips being told on Monday that payment was on the way.
Payment for services rendered
Chips was informed that due to Forex controls in South Africa, there would be initial delays in payments. Chips agreed to be patient. Craig made every effort to pay Chips in a timely manner. Craig went so far as to set up an out of country bank account. Unfortunately, due to the bank freezing Craig’s account for more than a month, the funds were not cleared until this week. Craig informed Chips via Skype on Monday that the funds had been cleared and the money was on the way. He should receive it next week.As for the IGS issue…. funny how Chips had no issues with that when he asked for the Affiliate Managers position with BigDaddys. Yes, he was aware! And he also knows that BigDaddys had entered into a contract with IGS before the whole Futurebet scandal broke. When Chips approached me to join the BD aff program, he was aware of the IGS connection. He was also acting as affiliate manager for Doms casino, another site using IGS software.
After the FB issue, BigDaddys Poker was quick to look at other options and is now on Merge Poker Network. The payment processing is being moved in house as soon as the licensing has been approved. BD Casino is still using IGS software but will also have the payment process moved in house.
Cashouts
Yes, there is a problem for American players getting money out of BD at the moment , the same type of problem all US facing rooms run into. The eWallet they were using has stopped accepting American transactions. BigDaddys is in talks with PicClub as we speak to provide a safe and more legal option for US players. American BD players and affiliates will be able to cash out through PicClub or by check by the end of November.I repeat, Pimp Your Poker is not BigDaddys and Chips was never under contract with PYP.
PYP is operating out of the UK and has Paypal, MoneyBookers and checks as payment options for affiliates. Since the members pay a fee to join a forum, the commissions earned on memberships sold are not gambling related and are therefore legal in the US!
What this really boils down to is a dispute between two parties over contract issues. It has no bearing on Pimp Your Poker and has no place in a public forum.
I’ll stake my reputation on everything I’ve posted here. Anyone who knows me also knows that I put player security ahead of the bottom line. I wouldn’t be involved with PYP or BD if there was even a hint of impropriety.
In this industry, when a player or affiliate has trouble getting paid, the news travels like wild fire. Check the forums, there are no complaints against BD from either players or affiliates except this one post.
So, bottom line, it’s your call. Take Bruce at his word and don’t get involved. Or, take me at mine and get in on the ground floor of what is absolutely going to be a cash cow for both players and affiliates.
Thanks for your time,
TerryTerry, I have always, and still do hold you in very high regard, and this will not change. I am not looking at starting a post war by any means. I simply do not want to expose any affiliate to the possibilities of losing time and/or money. As I said above: “A Word of Caution”. If things are sorted then great! It will be good for the industry and for all concerned.
As for the payment. I was told this past Monday that it would be done by this weeks end, not next week. Guess what? No payment has been received as of close of business today, and since the bank is in either So. Africa or Mauritius (sp?) had it been sorted this week it would have hit my account long before closing as there is a 6 hour time difference. Please be aware that the first promise made was for mid September.
The connection between the two sites is rather close as the same person owns both.
At the time I signed up to be the AM there, there were no payment issues other than the fact that Credit Cards were not being processed to US clients… ewalletXpress was working. I was also told this by Craig. And yes I did promote Doms on the same network. My bad 150% and I have offered my apology to those that followed my recommendations.
The last comment I will make is that I will stand true to my word and retract the above statements of non payment upon receipt of due payment. Until such time I shall stand my ground and remain silent on the issue.
I received an email today from this program, wanting me to sign-up.
Knowing that I’ll be paid, and on a timely basis, is very important to me. A boat load of excuses for non-payment is just not acceptable.
I’m certainly not interested in signing up for this program until Chip’s been paid.
@The Pokerkeep 184068 wrote:
He was also acting as affiliate manager for Doms casino, another site using IGS software.
Terry
Just to make sure it is clear that I have nothing whatsoever to do with ” Dom’s casino”.
I know of more then just a handful of Affiliate Managers who have gone through similar ordeals. The excuse is always the same, this has been locked, ran into this problem, ran into that problem. Everyone has bills and commitments. The unfortunate thing is, when you haven’t been paid for 1-2 straight months, you have to start finding other ways to keep the income flowing.
As an affiliate manager, I’m sure you put your whole effort into coming up with marketing strategies, promotions, and building up the reputation of a program. An affiliate manager is meant to stand by the program, they are the link between management, and the affiliate / advertising world.
You’re meant to be paid on time, not months late. If they really wanted to pay you on time, they would have. I am sure, they have the money they need to live, pay bills, and take care of everyday living.
Don’t ruin your reputation because the affiliate program can’t get their act together, it could be a sign of things to come.
I agree. If a program can’t pay it’s manager, it’s a really bad thing.
I have seen this in the past and nothing good ever came of it.
How can we place trust in a place that doesn’t even respect the needs of it’s own employees?
I am the other party based in the UK working on Pimp-Your-Poker and can 100% honestly say I have recieved payments for works done on the project on time and as agreed.
Pimp-Your-Poker although sponsored by Big Daddys Casino and Poker Room is a completely seperate entity and is run independantly of the said site. Big Daddy’s only provides the platform and the cash for the free rolls.
I am bitterly disappointed that this post was made as this site is going to be a winner for affiliates and poker players – and time will prove this.
Hi B.
Am not sure how to respond to this.
I could say that in the two months that you were contracted you brought a total of approximately eight affiliates – but I am not going to.
I could say that your total turn over while under contract amounted to $0.00 – but I am not going to.
I could say that you created the impression that you were to work full time, but it landed up being a part time job for you – but I am not going to.
What I am going to say, is that I have always been in contact. I have never not responded to a skype, an msn or an email.
I was most accommodating in every aspect of understanding that you have health issues and a full time job.
I agreed and provided for, all the promo’s that you wanted to run with zero return.
We agreed to end the contract but not the relationship. On a personal level I like you very much and feel completely betrayed by this post.
I think it is unjust, unfair and yes, sour grapes. All the issues relating to your payment have been honest ones, if they were not it would have been easier to just ignore you completely.
I could also argue that you did not deliver on your promises or your contract and therefore demand a reduction in your fees – but I didn’t.
It must also be said that at no point did BD approach you. You approached BD with lots of promises and the only one that you actually fulfilled was putting a page up on your site.
I also find it amazing that not once was it a secret as to which software provider BD uses. As T rightly says, all documentation and money was paid before the scandal broke. But that made no difference to you at all. In fact you even know the staff there personally and saw that as a major positive. Now, all of a sudden you are raising this as a major issue and trying to make out like you are an ethical saint?
As far as PYP is concerned – it operates completely separately from Big Daddy and operates from the UK – but you know this. You also know that PYP is bigger than BD. It is certainly bigger than you. You also personally know a lot of people that are involved in PYP.
People that you trust.
And people that used to trust you.
You mention that you don’t want to turn this into a post war. No one does. Yet you felt the need to post this on every forum that you could find. This is not about PYP, this is not about BD, this is all about your money. Your money will be there B. Money that will reflect in your bank account which you and I both know that you did not work for. Money paid for services not rendered. The figures speak for themselves and do not lie.
Pimp-Your-Poker is going to be fantastic. In your own words, “…It will be good for the industry and for all concerned.” The affiliate system that we have implemented there was even recomended by you!
I hope that this time you do stick to your word. That when the money arrives in your account that you do make a full retraction. You know how many people have put their heart and soul into making pimp-your-poker a reality. This has been a global effort. A global effort by affiliates, by poker players and yes by an operator.
Posts like this do nothing for the industry, do nothing for Poker and certainly do nothing for your reputation or the business that you are trying to build. Other operators will see these posts and be very wary (thats free advice btw). You would be better off spending your time and energy into working for your current clients and giving them a ROI.
I have said my say in response to all that has been going on. Your money will arrive soon enough and I Look forward to a positive response and to setting the record straight.
Here’s to Poker. Here’s to players. And here’s to all those that poured countless days and nights for months into making Pimp-Your-Poker a reality.
I look forward to celebrating your success in the near future as well.
I could say that in the two months that you were contracted you brought a total of approximately eight affiliates – but I am not going to.
I could say that your total turn over while under contract amounted to $0.00 – but I am not going to.
I could say that you created the impression that you were to work full time, but it landed up being a part time job for you – but I am not going to.I hate to say it, but this post you made shows clearly that you don’t keep your word.
You could say, BUT YOU”RE NOT GOING TO.
That’s a good one. If that’s an example of your honesty, then I guess in this case it would go:
I could send you the payment I owe you, but I’m not going to.
I’m sorry, but your post is just funny.
Hey D,
completely entitled to your opinion.
And if I brought a smile to your face, then all the better, we can all do with a few extra laughs can’t we.take care
Chips;183864 wrote:(*I will re-post if payment is received and will retract that portion of the post.)As promised, I am retracting the portion of this post that deals with the lack of payment. Payment was received today November 3 2008 via bank wire.
I’m glad to hear it Chips.
Glad to see the retraction however it has only been done at select forums.
I am slowly finding other player forums where this has been posted with no retraction nor has a retraction been sent to all the PPUS members however the original post was sent out to them.
This has done irreparable damage including a once tight friendship for which Chips I thank you.pomppoker;188455 wrote:Glad to see the retraction however it has only been done at select forums.
I am slowly finding other player forums where this has been posted with no retraction nor has a retraction been sent to all the PPUS members however the original post was sent out to them.
This has done irreparable damage including a once tight friendship for which Chips I thank you.Ray…Sir,
I placed retractions on every single post I made I left the retraction for several days and in an attempt for the content to not be indexed I removed the entire post. Now, if someone placed a duplicate of my post in some obscure place I am not privy to it. Your Boss emailed me one link and asked if I would email the owner of the site and let him know I was paid. I did it the moment I read the email and have received a message back for Craig with “Thank you”. This thread could have been dead and buried but since you chose to bump it to the new posts it gains more exposure once again.
I would ask that the admin/mods here lock this thread so it can go to its final resting place and not be bumped again. I was paid. I retracted. I retracted form other sites and removed when possible. I asked admins to lock posts or move/delete kill whatever.
It was a closed and forgotten issue until you had to come in here and post on the thread.
PM me or post up the so called “other forums” you are slowly finding and I will be pleased to retract as I said in the opening post here.
Now then…Let it be, let it die, forget it and spend your efforts on more productive issues. I know I am. I cannot afford to waste anymore of my valuable time quibbling on a closed issue.
