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I have a bad feeling come tuesday nights were going to see some serious car flipping and violence either way this year. Really quite sad but I think its coming when somthing as simple as a football or baseball game can start one, what will happen Tuesday?
@allfreechips 183782 wrote:
I have a bad feeling come tuesday nights were going to see some serious car flipping and violence either way this year. Really quite sad but I think its coming when somthing as simple as a football or baseball game can start one, what will happen Tuesday?
I can see it happing but, only if Obama loses after leading in most of the polls so far. :Cry: I’m not going to even think of that happening.I’m keeping an eye on the Electorial Map (as of 10/31/08), because that’s the only thing that matter. Right now on the map Obama has 291 (270 is needed to win).
In order for McPalin to win then they have to win all of the toss up states and more I think. :tongue:They have to win all the states in Red, all the states in gold, plus at least 1 in blue to beat Obama, based on the polls.
Frankly if the gap is the same or more (7%+) i think he’ll win all the gold states, plus maybe ND, MT and AZ.
Great page of polling by state:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/#data@AmCan 184030 wrote:
Frankly if the gap is the same or more (7%+) i think he’ll win all the gold states, plus maybe ND, MT and AZ.
I agree and if Obama takes McCains home state of AZ then it will be very sad, it could happen.
there will be car flipping either way, much more if he loses.
@slotplayer 184036 wrote:
there will be car flipping either way, much more if he loses.
It will be a hell of a lot more than just flipped cars if Obama does not win.
Everyone is watching and we have seen record number of folks turn out waiting upto 10 hours in line to vote and that does NOT happen unless the DEMS get mad and want to change things.
This time we have some republicans and independants ready for a change so I don’t see how Obama does not win both popular and electorial vote hands down.
@AmCan 184030 wrote:
They have to win all the states in Red, all the states in gold, plus at least 1 in blue to beat Obama, based on the polls.
Frankly if the gap is the same or more (7%+) i think he’ll win all the gold states, plus maybe ND, MT and AZ.
Great page of polling by state:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/maps/obama_vs_mccain/#dataRealClear is a cool site. My favorite is http://www.fivethirtyeight.com – I check both sites obsessively :tongue:
I’d be more worried about a white supremacist trying to take Obama out if he wins.
I did notice a large surge in guns this month, although they say its to get ahead of the obama bans but lots of people I talk to are afraid of mahem.
@allfreechips 184109 wrote:
I did notice a large surge in guns this month, although they say its to get ahead of the obama bans but lots of people I talk to are afraid of mahem.
Sorry, but that’s just ridiculous. The sales of safes are also way up. Because of all the bank failures many people have pulled their funds out of the banking system & are keeping the money at home. Every news article I’ve read attributed the spike in gun sales to people wanting to guard their homes & their money (in safes) from criminals.
my personal belief is that nothing will happen after election. but, within 2 years you’ll see a lot of not only car flipping but proper popular revolt.
the us economy will dive and consumption will fall by a 1/3. and the whole world will suffer. it is inevitable if you understand that america has been living in credit for quite a bit of time. to such an extent that the country owes more that it produces…i stand to be corrected on this stat. whether its obama or mccain, somebody will either have to inflate the currency or stop printing money (which they wont).
the good news is that the USD is the world currency based on the brenton (or whatever its called) act. meaning that everybody takes USD as the common currency. the fact that USA gets to keep their own currency as their debt when inflation expands is good for USA (hardly for anyone else), is only in US’s favour because its cheaper to pay debts.
perhaps i have a crude way of putting my thought, and i admit that i’m not an expert, but i can’t see the current situation having hit the bottom. its a bigger bubble than the dot.com era. we’re fucked mates :flush:
tada…
Maybe we better all leave the US now then. I’m sure there is another country out there better than what we have here. :tongue:
The party is definatly over for living like the Jones! I think that this had to happen sooner or later. Bush has dug a huge friggen hole for us, but we never give up and we will “Rise from the ashes of the Bushes!”
Everyone is living way beyond their means credit wise and although there will be some hard times for some I don’t see the world coming to an end over this economic crisis this time.
We are more prepared to deal with a recession by taking what we learned from the past to steer our way out of this as long as we have folks that offer good solutions and is smart enough to get it done.
gamtrak, unfortunately there is no place you can leave to that wont get affected by this. one thing chips was right about was that this whole financial fiasco wasnt started by bush. he only inherited the chaos from clinton, who actually was the last president who could’ve reverted the money printing frenzy…but the dot.com hassle played in his favour.
remember the stock rise for companies that didnt have a business model? typicall wall st…
on another note, isnt it weird that you get such obscure presidential nomineees? a woman, a black guy with a name which is one letter different from osama, and a ever losing candidate. seems to me like its an election for a scapegoat. but all of them attended the bilderberg foundation, so they know who to bow kosher to (as in pay dues to the rich fuckers).
and who are we? pawns of change? when the rich get richer its ok, but when the rich get poorer the whole society pays. funnily enough, not in russia. the rich are getting poorer, and the government is only happy to nationalize. such irony…
my point? america’s election is the world’s election. you can’t call us names, we have just as much invested into it as americans do. you owe us so much money that if we asked it back all at once the world would crash finacially. not something cozy to sleep on…not really what you would call supremacy, is it?
to add perspective to it, consider the fact that america’s military budget is half the whole worlds military spending. there must be an agenda for all this armtwisting….
p.s.
renee thinks i’m paranoid. but even she agrees…somewhat
I was being somewhat sarcastic in my reply. You have some good points. :hattip:
@splinterfree 184116 wrote:
my personal belief is that nothing will happen after election. but, within 2 years you’ll see a lot of not only car flipping but proper popular revolt.
the us economy will dive and consumption will fall by a 1/3. and the whole world will suffer. it is inevitable if you understand that america has been living in credit for quite a bit of time. to such an extent that the country owes more that it produces…i stand to be corrected on this stat. whether its obama or mccain, somebody will either have to inflate the currency or stop printing money (which they wont).
the good news is that the USD is the world currency based on the brenton (or whatever its called) act. meaning that everybody takes USD as the common currency. the fact that USA gets to keep their own currency as their debt when inflation expands is good for USA (hardly for anyone else), is only in US’s favour because its cheaper to pay debts.
perhaps i have a crude way of putting my thought, and i admit that i’m not an expert, but i can’t see the current situation having hit the bottom. its a bigger bubble than the dot.com era. we’re fucked mates :flush:
tada…
This is just from memory so correct me if I’m wrong.
the economy is roughly 11-13 trillion ( I heard both 11 and 13 , before credit crisis)
we now owe about 10 trillion (53 trillion in unfunded liaibility if you include ssi and medicare)
Deficits:
Reagan went from 700 billion to 3 trillion, I’m not too sure about this but I believe Bush (41’st president) & Clinton added about 2 trillion but then Clinton had the 5 billion budget surplus in the second term.Bush(43) 5 to 10 trillion (including bailout $$). (remember the national debt clock running out of digits a few weeks ago.)
We just had the first quarter of negative GDP of about -.3% I believe. A recession is defined as two consecutive quarters of negative growth. Q2 was 3.3% growth.
China has bee growing about 10% a year however, their Q3 was only 9%.
We need to create about 100-150,000 jobs each month to keep up with people entering workforce. we’ve lost about 760,000 jobs since Jan.
Durring the depression unemployment was about 25%. now it’s about 6.1%, The lowest it’s ever been was 3.8%. Generally it hovers about 5% which means everyone that wants a job has a job. I remember waiting in the long unemployment line in 1991. It was about 10% unemployment back then. Took quite a while to find a job.
