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  • #604056
    vladcizsol
    Member

    Nicolas please view the stats below and explain to me how this is acceptable behavior by Cirrus and why its NOT shaving?

    May Stats:

    Quote:
    Number of Clickthroughs: 183
    Number of Downloaders: 33
    Number of Players: 16
    Number of New Depositors: 1
    Total Deposits: $4,285.00
    Net Win: $7,506.60

    Coupon Amounts Awarded: $3,521.75
    Manager Credit Amounts Awarded: $4,732.00
    ChargeBacks: $0.00
    Net Profit: (Net Win – Coupons – Credits – Chargebacks) ($747.46)
    Amount Deducted: $0.00
    Amount Miscellaneous Adjustments: $0.00
    Amount Added For Reversed Bans: $0.00
    Amount Earned: ($224.24)

    June Stats:

    Quote:
    Number of Clickthroughs: 175
    Number of Downloaders: 14
    Number of Players: 13
    Number of New Depositors: 1
    Total Deposits: $2,360.00
    Net Win: $3,433.69

    Coupon Amounts Awarded: $1,191.85
    Manager Credit Amounts Awarded: $3,379.00
    ChargeBacks: $0.00
    Net Profit: (Net Win – Coupons – Credits – Chargebacks) ($1,150.68)
    Amount Deducted: $14.92
    Amount Miscellaneous Adjustments: $0.00
    Amount Added For Reversed Bans: $0.00
    Amount Earned: ($345.20)

    July Stats:

    Quote:
    Number of Clickthroughs: 194
    Number of Downloaders: 16
    Number of Players: 9
    Number of New Depositors: 1
    Total Deposits: $1,249.00
    Net Win: $2,105.88
    Coupon Amounts Awarded: $325.00
    Manager Credit Amounts Awarded: $2,055.87
    ChargeBacks: $0.00
    Net Profit: (Net Win – Coupons – Credits – Chargebacks) ($275.01)
    Amount Deducted: $5.31
    Amount Miscellaneous Adjustments: $0.00
    Amount Added For Reversed Bans: $0.00
    Amount Earned: ($82.50)

    Over the course of the last three months Cirrus indicates that they have the following totals:

    Deposits: $7894

    Net Win: $13,046.17

    Coupon Amounts Awarded: $5038.60

    Manager Credit Amounts Awarded: $10,166.87

    Total Awarded/Given Away by Managers: $15,205.47
    Amount I earned for your casino $13,046.17 in new business, My cut: 0

    HOW IS THIS NOT SHAVING!!!!???

    #743632
    Anonymous
    Guest

    Hi Prof.

    wow! That’s outrageous.

    not to add to your well deserved anxiety about GW . … but did you read … .wait. i’m pretty sure I remember seeing you did … about the player that won and is getting a run-around about payment?

    GW … you’ve really got a long ways to go to be a worthy aff program.

    Or a quality casino(s) for that matter.

    Man you gotta treat people right .. pay them when they win…. You don’t accept payments on the “lay away plan” for players when they want to gamble .. right?

    well then why should it be acceptable to put them on a payment plan … when the are lucky enough to beat the odds ……. in your favor no less… and want to cash in?

    You need to talk to whoever is running things and really re-consider your whole approach to online gambling.

    even if you manage to make it over the current hump…. treat people .. both affs and players ….. as i have read recently .. and you’ll be dead in the water within the first 2 months of any Vegas casinos (US based) coming online.

    This time …..more than ever before . … casinos already online … not US based .. .need to begin building their reputations so that they just might ….. if they’re really lucky and of course a quality experience …. might be able to compete with what is coming ……

    think about it. And better yet … make sure those in charge of how things are run …. consider what I’ve said.

    *I was ready to list you guys ……. have a partner making a few grand a month with you now……. but I will Totally balk at listing you even if it means my partnership because I haven’t spent 7 years building what i consider to be an honorable rep….. just to toss it down the drain for money. I don’t work that way.

    #743634
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    he’s to busy on his new $15,000 boat to respond man :)

    #743636
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    These manager credits are absolutely rubbish aren’t they? There is $10K “shaved” just there.

    And it certainly looks to be a deliberate and cynical method of enforcing a negative monthly total and therefore no payout.
    :flush:

    The other credits seem like the normal bonuses – is that right?

    I’m guessing that the NET WIN is also probably inflated by those credits – so with deposits of $7K the real cash win is probably around that deposit figure ?

    But this looks very, very dodgy.

    #743637
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    All RTG do this to some extent but this is totally ridiculous.

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    #743639
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Wow! Ok, don’t yell at me lol. I have had similar stats and what I really look at is the deposits and the net profit. The credits are insignificant to me. It looks like they cashed out and/or are still playing. It always works out unless they cash out.

    #743640
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    You would think they would be smart enough not to shave the owner of the most popular casino affiliate forum lmao. I am glad I never got into bed with this group. I always had it in my mind that they were part of the rogue virtual casinos group.

    #743641
    Anonymous
    Guest

    LOL.

    no yelling M:

    good point. Perhaps they are still playing ….

    and yes …. I would judge any program commission on deposits.

    If I sent players that amounted to … what was it … $7800?

    Then at some point ….. I’d be expecting somewhere near 2k back. Players more times than not ….. at some point ….. play it back when they win …. and well losses take of themselves don’t they?

    Biggest reason I have never promoted most RTGs.. is the bonus BS. Seems like I never have the “luck” to get what I ought to be paid. Apparently all my players win …… cash out … and at times I have expected to get a bill from the casino….. rather than a payment … after all the bonus crap lol.

    #743642
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    This is May stats if it helps,

    Number of Clickthroughs: 23
    Number of Downloaders: 12
    Number of Players: 6
    Number of New Depositors: 0
    Total Initial Deposits: $0.00
    Total Deposits: $7,950.00
    Net Win: $34,308.44
    Coupon Amounts Awarded: $28,344.00
    Manager Credit Amounts Awarded: $622.50
    ChargeBacks: $0.00
    Net Profit: (Net Win – Coupons – Credits – Chargebacks) $5,341.94

    #743644
    vladcizsol
    Member

    Night and day Mojo with respect to Manager Credits.

    Selective Shaving.

    #743645
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Hi Everyone,

    In case you did not know, we CANOT effect your affiliate stats, ask anyone that knows RTG, we do not generate the stats, we only display what comes from the RTG back end.

    To Professor,

    Now I checked your players, and there is nothing strange. You sent 3 new depositors. And the total all your players deposited was 7K. There were many withdrawals that add up to more then that. Mainly you have a high roller who joined in February and deposited almost 18k yet has withdrawn over 17k.

    You were enjoying when that player lost in the beginning of the year, but now he is wining, nothing we can do about this.

    If you want screen shots, I will gladly provide that for you. If you want me to request to RTG to remove this player from your account I can do that too (notice how I have to REQUEST to RTG that they remove a player, since RTG affiliate stats are out of any affiliate programs control)

    And about selective shaving, that theory makes no sense. I mean first I don’t have control over your stats, but even if I did, you would think I would choose someone other then YOU, the administrator of the most read affiliate forum to shave from???

    To bb1webs,

    I know you don’t like our casinos or program, but fact is; you haven’t even tried us. If this player was not getting paid, do you think he would be returning?

    The worst you can say about our program and casino clients is that they have delays in payment and email responses, but we ALWAYS pay, and in an honest manner.

    And about bonuses, yeah that limits your player profitability, but it also increases your conversion rate. You may not earn as much per player, but you will GENERALLY (depends on type of traffic) have a hell of a lot more players convert with a 1,000% bonus explosion, then with a 50% sign up bonus.

    To AllFreeChips,

    I don’t have a boat. Even if I did, I spend over 12 hours a day here, so I am busy, but not doing what you think I am.

    To TheGooner,

    Thank you for participating, even when you are posting a negative about us, you always do it with such taste and LOGIC, that it is a pleasure to read your posts. I am sure once professor has received his screen shots and whatever else I need to provide him for him to believe us, and RTG, he will be able to clear this with you.

    To Bonusgeek,

    You haven’t tried us, yet if you did you would realize, like professor and Mojo have that we do pay our affiliates and our casino clients pay their players, since otherwise they would not be depositing time and time again, and withdrawing time and time again. I have made this offer to others and will make it to you, if any of your players encounters a problem with cashout, I will mediate it to make sure your player gets paid. If not, I will stop working here, but I am not worried, I have made this promise before and here I am.

    To Mojo,

    Thanks, you’re a sweet heart.

    #743648
    vladcizsol
    Member

    Nicolas the stats do NOT indicate a winning player.

    The stats clearly show your managers are awarding CREDITS to my players that exceed the net win of the casino and their deposits by a wide margin.

    If the player(s) were WINNING then NET WIN would indicate that.

    #743652
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Hi Professor,

    I am sorry, I hate to contradict you, but I have to since your stats do indicate what I am saying is true. That “net win” you are seing is calculated from all the “money” a player has in his account, unfortunately the “money” these players have in their account, is mostly bonus and manager credits, money we gave them. We can’t pay you commissions for the bonus money your players loose, only the real money.

    So if you look at it well, these players had $7 in deposits in their account, plus 10k from manager credits and 7k from bonuses. This means that if they would have lost “all their money” the net win would have been 7+7+10= 24k in “Net Win”.

    But that wasn’t the case. The fact is your players had $24K in their accounts, but only lost $13k, so WE DID NOT NET ANY PROFIT. They have either withdrawn or still have that difference.

    And I am telling you, after seeing the RTG backend and checking your players accounts, that they did withdraw, I am even offering to show you proof. Some of that difference is still in their accounts, but most is money they withdrew.

    The number you should look at is the “Net Profit” not “Net win” if you look at that, you will see the reality of your stats.

    Kind Regards,
    Nicolas Johnson

    #743654
    vladcizsol
    Member

    What is the Reality of Manager Credits which exceed deposits by over 200%?

    Let me post this again as you are getting away from what is CLEARLY VISIBLE on the screen and is being presented to me by Gambling Wages as my stats for the last three months at Cirrus Casino:

    May Stats:

    Quote:
    Number of Clickthroughs: 183
    Number of Downloaders: 33
    Number of Players: 16
    Number of New Depositors: 1
    Total Deposits: $4,285.00
    Net Win: $7,506.60

    Coupon Amounts Awarded: $3,521.75
    Manager Credit Amounts Awarded: $4,732.00
    ChargeBacks: $0.00
    Net Profit: (Net Win – Coupons – Credits – Chargebacks) ($747.46)
    Amount Deducted: $0.00
    Amount Miscellaneous Adjustments: $0.00
    Amount Added For Reversed Bans: $0.00
    Amount Earned: ($224.24)

    June Stats:

    Quote:
    Number of Clickthroughs: 175
    Number of Downloaders: 14
    Number of Players: 13
    Number of New Depositors: 1
    Total Deposits: $2,360.00
    Net Win: $3,433.69

    Coupon Amounts Awarded: $1,191.85
    Manager Credit Amounts Awarded: $3,379.00
    ChargeBacks: $0.00
    Net Profit: (Net Win – Coupons – Credits – Chargebacks) ($1,150.68)
    Amount Deducted: $14.92
    Amount Miscellaneous Adjustments: $0.00
    Amount Added For Reversed Bans: $0.00
    Amount Earned: ($345.20)

    July Stats:

    Quote:
    Number of Clickthroughs: 194
    Number of Downloaders: 16
    Number of Players: 9
    Number of New Depositors: 1
    Total Deposits: $1,249.00
    Net Win: $2,105.88
    Coupon Amounts Awarded: $325.00
    Manager Credit Amounts Awarded: $2,055.87
    ChargeBacks: $0.00
    Net Profit: (Net Win – Coupons – Credits – Chargebacks) ($275.01)
    Amount Deducted: $5.31
    Amount Miscellaneous Adjustments: $0.00
    Amount Added For Reversed Bans: $0.00
    Amount Earned: ($82.50)

    Over the course of the last three months Cirrus indicates that they have the following totals:

    Deposits: $7894

    Net Win: $13,046.17

    Coupon Amounts Awarded: $5038.60

    Manager Credit Amounts Awarded: $10,166.87

    Total Awarded/Given Away by Managers: $15,205.47
    Amount I earned for your casino $13,046.17 in new business, My cut: 0

    Net Profit is Meaningless because its being cancelled out by Manager Credits and Coupons. Thats the whole point of my post and my frustration.

    #743655
    vladcizsol
    Member

    For Comparison here is another RTG program I work with:

    July Stats

    Quote:
    Clicks 184
    Downloads 32
    Signups Unique 9
    Sessions 10
    Initial Deposits $120
    Depositors 2
    Deposits $2,653.00
    Withdrawals $0.00
    Gross Win $2,971.72
    Credits $428.69
    Chargebacks $0.00
    Net Win $2,543.03

    Total Accrued $762.91
    Currently Owed $762.91

    In this case you can see clearly that the Manager Credits are NOT excessive and they are therefore NOT cancelling out my income. These are RTG Stats too.

    This program/casino is NOT awarding more credits and coupons then the player deposits. That makes perfect sense.

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