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My account was deactivated on Mar 24 2007. Natalie explained GW’s position here
It’s all true – I removed the most of links from my sites to GW’s Casinos. The reason – GW never paid me in full and in time. I contacted GW on this matter many times and received some payments. The Last was $3868,29. It was obvious for me the things were going better, but I was paid only a part of commissions.
In February and March I had money from players I send (according to stats) – again, no payments. I tried even contact GW via CAP forum – No Reply!According to Natalie GW did some ‘…efforts…’. What efforts? Why do you call these payments ‘efforts’? As far as I understand it’s your obligation.
GW refers to they own T&C and explains me that I was not active. It’s not true as I was active in sending emails to GW reminding them to pay me.
GW broke their own T&C – ‘…Payment shall be made prior to the 15th working day of the following month…’ before I had to stop sending new players.
GW’s T&C are predatory and they do not pay in time.
And now the question – why GW is certified?
Gambling Wages,
You wouldn’t even have those players without Maxus. This is how you repay him, by stealing his residual income?
What a crock of :bullshit:.
That’s what these type terms are good for – stealing people’s income.
That is ridiculous that they didn’t pay you when you WERE active and then wrote off your commissions as an inactive affiliate. According to their Terms and Conditions – they are STILL supposed to pay you past commissions!
Not only have they violated their own Terms and Conditions, they are proving once again why the Minimum Player rule CANNOT be accepted by players when the violation of said rule either REMOVES players or REDUCES commissions below the agreed upon rate.
Here is our analysis below after trying our hardest to get Gambling Wages to ‘see the light’. They are 100% predatory – and it SHOWS.
On the face of it this seems very inapporpriate behaviour and certainly merits investigation – I’ve couched the phrases as we’ve only had one side of the story.
But three things for affiliates to consider …
(1) I assume these terms are flagged on the Affiliate WatchDog ?
KWBlue – is there a space to escalate and highlight programs that are ACTUALLY using predatory statements in action ?(2) What has happened to the Affilaite Collective Idea of listing delinquient and slow payers ?
Integrity are you around?
I can’t get into the APCW forums – they just timeout for me.(3) CAP Certification question ?
Prof – is this behaviour acceptable?
Worth CAP getting involved to mediate?I hope everyone reading this decideds to drop them , remember this can also happen to you .
From my stand point sometimes when i have a lot of players somewhere i will stop promoting them and push another casino hard to build up a player database at more then one casino . Ive been known to drop a program for 6 months just for the simple reason i want to push someone else for 6 months and build up a nice income from more then one place. Programs with terms like this make it imossible to do so , so i would advise all promoters to drop them asap
TheGooner wrote:On the face of it this seems very inapporpriate behaviour and certainly merits investigation – I’ve couched the phrases as we’ve only had one side of the story.But three things for affiliates to consider …
(1) I assume these terms are flagged on the Affiliate WatchDog ?
KWBlue – is there a space to escalate and highlight programs that are ACTUALLY using predatory statements in action ?Excellent post Gooner (as usual). Great ideas. Yes their terms are flagged at AffiliateGuardDog.com, but at this point there is no place to escalate this. Sounds like a good addition to AffiliateGuardDog.com and I will look to figure out a way. I will try to at least make a post about this case as it shows exactly what we are trying to say…. Terms such as this WILL be used to your disadvantage.
Good man …
:hattip:Silly question but why would anyone want to promote casinos who refuse to pay you owed money if you decide to cease becoming an active affiliate?
Not a silly question … but the possible answers are valid…
(1) The affiliate may not have been aware of the term.
Don’t even pretend that you actually read all the T&C’s.
:stirpot:(2) The affiliate was keen and enthusiatic and validly anticipated continuing to promote forvever
After all who expects our partners to pull the dirty rule if we’re giving genuine effort.
Look …. I promote CanBet (who are a good site for players) through ComissionKing and they have a similar rule.We’ve been discussing this over the phone – and although they explained why it was intended for – and that it wasn’t intended for use against genuine affiliates … I continued to hold fast that it was a reason why I would not recommend them to other affiliates.
Recently (this week) they’ve changed their term as a result of our talks :
– from 1 new depositor a month required to receive payments
– to 1 depositor every 3 months …It’s still a risk – especially to new affiliates with low traffic … but it’s a term that I can live with as I expect to achieve 10-20 players a month with minimal promotional efforts.
so while I can read the term – and make a value decision that I will achieve this level – new affiliate may not accurately assess that risk.
I hope you could agree that even if the T&C are predatory it’s up to GW to decide which terms to offer to affiliates.
It’s up to us (affiliates) to decide if we like the terms or not, discuss it at CAP and offer casinos to make changes (as Paul did).
But since they have those T&C they should follow them. GW never paid me all the commission they owe me – that is – they violated they own T&C! That is why I have stopped to promote GW until they fulfill they obligations.
But instead of making payments they deactivated my account.
To me, it is not a matter of whether I could perform up to standards, that would not be what I base my decision on.
I consider such predatory terms simple theft. If they decided to phase you out, block you from sending new players and continue to pay the monies due to you until your existing players have left, that would be one thing. But confiscating monies due is theft, pure and simple.
I will not do business with thieves.
Secondly, it prevents you from selling your site but keeping your accounts, a common practice. It practically makes your accounts worthless unless you continue with your site. Forget retirement.
Thirdly ( and likely what is the intended effect) you cannot manage your clients according to profitability anymore. As mentioned above, sometimes it is a wise business decision to replace a client for a time in order to build up a player base elsewhere, or take advantage of a promo offered elsewhere. Your site may suffer from these limitations, you will not be able to make decisions based on who has the best offer for your players.
These are three good reasons not to deal with programs that sport predatory terms.
Maxus I am calling Natalie to discuss your situation today. Please bear in mind their terms and conditions do state that you must be an active affiliate in order to continue to recieve commissions. Writing emails to them asking for commission is NOT being an ACTIVE affiliate.
Placing a few banners on your sites would have probably avoided all of this problem and may ultimately be a solution moving forward.
I personally do NOT like clauses which require a minimum number of players to be sent in order to receive commissions on existing players. I would NOT recommend joining a program with those terms in place. But if you DO have existing players and are earning thousands of dollars in commission with the program it probably makes sense to invest a little bit of exposure to maintain that relationship.
I will do my best to get you a resolution…
Ok Natalie isnt in the office yet. I spoke with Nicolas and he said he would have her call me later today.
Professor wrote:Placing a few banners on your sites would have probably avoided all of this problem and may ultimately be a solution moving forward.Maxus wrote:It’s all true – I removed the most of links from my sites to GW’s Casinos. The reason – GW never paid me in full and in time.Note that the message stats that the banners were taken down AFTER they did NOT pay commissions.
There is NO fault here by the affiliate – this is all GW tactics to not pay commissions, IMO.
This is a very dangerous game to play for GW – they are getting a lot of bad press lately for their Terms and Conditions alone. Now – they enforce them in a completely unethical manner even though they stated:
Gambling Wages wrote:I have brought this part of our terms and conditions up to management and we have reviewed it. Unfortunately, we cannot modify this part because it is there to protect us from Revenue share abusers.This is OBVIOUSLY not the case. They are just using the term at their own discretion..
WHERE does it state, below, that they will CONFISCATE your previous commissions if you don’t send a new player????
GW Terms and Conditions wrote:In any case where the Referral Company chooses a compensation program where GW agrees to reward the Referral Company for the lifetime activity of the referred player, the Referral Company must maintain the status of “Active Affiliate” to be eligible to receive compensation for old Referred Players. “Active Affiliate” status being defined as a Referral Company that refers at least one new depositor per calendar month. In the case where a Referral Company fails to maintain “Active Affiliate” status for a period of six months or more, GW reserves the right, at their sole discretion, to completely discontinue any type of service.This is unbelievably poor judgement on GW’s part… I really hope they resolve this issue immediately and attempt to make their program reputable once again
It’s either that OR we will ALL be happy to see them go away completely.
